nolian wrote:Jeff Van Gundy ha il carattere per potersi imporre sui giocatori, ma è fermo da quasi un decennio, non sò onestamente se i Lakers siano interessati a lui...
dal punto di vista tecnico, sarebbe ottimo secondo me...
certo che...parliamo di mister-gioco-le-partite-puntando-ai-150-punti-D'Antoni,e Jeff Van Gundy gioco-le-partite-puntando-a-tenere-gli-avversari-sui-50-punti...quanto di piu opposto ci possa essere l'uno dall'altro
comunque con JeffVanGundy avremo tre "lacustri" nel primo quintetto difensivo
Ora non esageriamo....
JVG è da 5-6 anni che non allena, dopo l'ultima stagione con i Rockets.
Nei prossimi giorni usciranno sicuramente decine di retroscena, chi ha deciso cosa, chi ha licenziato chi, ecc.ecc. - al momento non lo so chi ha fatto cosa, se è colpa di Bryant o se è una guerra all'interno della proprietà... so solo che mandare via un coach dopo 5 partite è una figura di emme epocale, che potrà essere superata solo dallo scegliere un coach peggiore di Brown come suo sostituto, il che è anche probabile se i pezzi grossi (Jax, Sloan) dovessero rifiutare la panchina...
Maybe I destroyed the game. Or maybe, you're just making excuses.
Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak met with the media Friday afternoon to discuss the firing of Mike Brown as head coach at length, the coaching search moving forward and the state of the team until a new coach is brought in. Here are the highlights from the press conference:
The decision behind firing Mike Brown
“Mike is a good man, hard-working maybe one of the hardest working coaches I’ve ever been around. The bottom line is the team was not winning at the pace we expected this team to win and we didn’t see improvement. We wish Mike well and we’re sorry it ended this way. So we’ve decided to move in another direction and make a change. Tonight’s game Bernie Bickerstaff will be the head coach and will act as the head coach until we start the process to look for a new head coach.
“You can argue was last season a part of the process was preaseaon a part of the process. After five games we weren’t winning, we weren’t seeing improvement and we made a decision. Maybe it would have changed. A month down the road or three months down the road. But with this team we didn’t want to wait three months and find out it wasn’t going to change.
“There’s a defensive system, offensive system, and there’s how you handle players. We did struggle to score. We introduced a new offense, I think to some degree it was unfair to be categorized as the Princeton offense. It really wasn’t the Princeton offense. There was derivatives of the Princeton offense, but there was a lot more mixed into it but there was a system. The success that I think Mike was hoping for didn’t come very quickly. As I mentioned we had to make a quick decision.
“It wasn’t made out of panic. We were aware of this team’s progress through training camp and the beginning of the season. Only yesterday did we come to the decision to make a change. Obviously, everyone in this room knows we went 0-8 in the preseason, which doesn’t mean a whole lot, but we are 1-4 now. It didn’t come out of nowhere. It’s something that’s out there that we talked about internally, continuing to support mike. But after our loss to Utah we came to the decision this morning to make a change.”
Injuries to Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash making them hesitant to fire Brown
“You can say that. You could. We took it into consideration. It was discussed. It’s not like we didn’t discuss that amongst the three people that were involved in this decision. Obviously, we still decided to make a decision.”
How Brown was viewed after last year
“I would say it was an incomplete evaluation. What he went through last season wasn’t really fair. Making a trade that fell a part, one of the players has moved on – Lamar Odom – and the other player was scarred for a complete season. Then we made another trade as we approached the trade deadline to get a younger ball handling point guard. And we did no worse than we did the year before. It’s tough to grade him, plus on top of that it was a strike-shortened season. So on top of that it’s tough to give a coach a grade, maybe you call it a free pass for a year and let’s see how we do this year.”
Whether the hybrid Princeton offense was the wrong offense to use
“It remains to be seen. Obviously, we’re making a change, so we’re not comfortable with a couple of facets of the way the team was being coached. Coaches make decisions going into the season very aware of the decisions they make, it’s not like Mike didn’t think about what would happen with an offense like this and how a guy like Steve Nash would fit into it. As I mentioned earlier, it wasn’t a straight forward Princeton offense, there were derivatives that allowed the team to take advantage of Steve’s skills. So, it’s hard to sit here and predict how the season would have turned out if we had a full season. It could have turned out just fine, but we were not willing to take this chance.
“[The offense] was a little odd. It’s a complex offense. When we introduced the triangle it seems like decades ago there was the same degree of skepticism on the players face. So there were some similarities. It certainly didn’t come about quickly. In fact, I never thought we got to the point where the offense was flowing. You see some flashes of it but we never saw a consistent flow throughout the course of a game.
“They either weren’t getting it or it was going to take too long for them to get it and we weren’t willing to find out which of the two it was.
“I think we’d like to see something the players can pick up on maybe a little bit quicker. As I mentioned, I’m not sure we have the time to implement something pretty complex. We want to start winning games, find out how good we really are.”
Thoughts on the defense
“It was a little bit of a concern. It was not so much that there was no defense being played. In the Utah game I thought we had a great stretch in the second half defensively, but we couldn’t score. Going back to the two main reasons we made a change: it was the win-loss record and the fact that we didn’t see improvement. I guess we didn’t see a consistent performance because there was a game or two where we did pretty good offensively. In the Utah game as I mentioned we played good defensively, but we couldn’t seem to put together a consistent spread of offensive and defensive performances.”
Did player give input and did Brown lost their support
“No input from the players that I’m aware of. Yesterday afternoon last evening and this morning was the final determination of the decision.
“Nothing from a player. We saw frustration. Quite a great deal of frustration but there was some that we were seeing. But, really it came down to ownership and management looking at the record looking at the improvement level and wondering a month or two or three down the road were we going to be in the same spot.
“I think there was plenty of emotion. They played hard. I saw a lot of frustration. Players making passes that they thought somebody might be there to catch it but there wasn’t. Clearly there were emotions. Everyone cares. I don’t think that was a problem.”
Did Dwight Howard’s pending free agency factor into the decision
“Not something that was discussed between the three decision makers. Obviously we know he’s a free agent this summer and you want to make the experience for him as good as possible, but we have a lot of other people we’re trying to please as well, we have a lot of fans and players, it’s not just about one person.”
Timetable for coaching search
“The sooner the better. We don’t have a timetable and quite frankly because this happened so quickly. The reality is you can’t call around and gauge coaches interest in this job, in the fraternity that exists, a coach wouldn’t say he was interested as long as someone has the job so we haven’t even begun the search but we do have a list that we’ve put together and we will go through that list in an orderly fashion.
“We’re not looking five or 10 years down the road. This team was built to contend this year. There’s no guarantee this team can win a championship but we feel they can be deeply in the hunt. We are aware that players are under contract for another year or two and are getting older. So our feeling is we can contend for a couple years. That’s our focus right now.”
The possibility of looking to other staffs for Brown’s replacement
“It’s certainly a possibility that you go to another team. I think the bigger possibility is you look to another team for an assistant coach. Clearly great coaches or good coaches in this league who have jobs would not be let out of their contract with their team, so that’s not really a realistic possibility. There is a remote possibility that you look at assistants in the league and of course teams at that point would not stand in a way of a coach advancing his career, but I think it is more likely that we would look to coaches not presently employed.”
Considering former Lakers head coach Phil Jackson
“When there’s a coach like Phil Jackson, one of the all-time greats, and he’s not coaching I think we’d be negligent not to be aware that he’s out there. As I mentioned earlier we’re putting together our list and an attack plan. We have not reached out to anyone at this time.
“It doesn’t have to be a coach with championship experience.”
Getting player’s input on who should be the next head coach
“Maybe. We have veterans on this team, two of which have almost 17 years. Others have played over 10, 12 years and have played for many coaches, perhaps a coach or two that we’re considering. We’ll run it pass one of our veterans, not for their approval, but tell us about this person. That’s not something we’ve decided to do yet, but I wouldn’t rule it out.”
Responding to Pau Gasol’s quote about this “sending a message to the players”
“That wasn’t a part of what we’re trying to do. Obviously it’s going to have that affect. I did address the players and I made it clear. You get evaluated on winning. Maybe a player would take it that way.”
Bernie Bickerstaff’s approach and chances of having the interim tag removed
“He and I sat down for a half hour or 45 minutes and we basically had the same discussion that I’m having with everyone here today. Why, how did you come to this decision, what did you see on the court. He understands our concerns. He’ll make some changes, maybe try to keep things a little bit simpler tonight, but you can’t change everything in a six hour time period. So my guess is you’ll see a lot or some of the same with some different offensive sets.
“We don’t have a coach to replace Mike right now. We have an interim coach. There’s no guarantee, although it’s an attractive job, I think we’ll get a coach, but if we don’t get the coach we want and Bernie is doing a great job crazy things happen in this league. Going into it and the way I explained it to Bernie, that’s not the plan, but it’s certainly a possibility.”
In Related: Of course, along with Kupchak everyone wants to hear what Lakers leader Kobe Bryant thinks about Brown’s dismissal. He took to his official Facebook account to make a statement:
“Tough day. I’ve seen coaches as well as friends come and go. No matter how many years I’ve been playing, it’s still hard to deal with. I had a good relationship with Mike and I will continue to have one. I wish him and his family nothing but the best. I spoke with him today and thanked him for all of his hard work and sacrifice.
“As a team, we must focus our energy on tonight’s game. We must block out the weight of today’s news and simply do our jobs to the best of our ability.
“I’m not sure what direction we are heading in next. All I can do is focus on the here and now.”
Si vince contro i Warriors.
Giocando malino eh, ma mettendo il parziale determinante tramite mosse semplici: tipo mettere Jamison da quattro (con Pau da cinque; ah, decisamente sul pezzo il catalano. Che da ala forte ha un valore x, da centro uno x+y+z. Ieri, una dimostrazione pratica da top 5 del ruolo, il SUO ruolo).
Bene la panca, con Meeks (n'altro che il patata aveva messo in naftalina, così, giusto per le sue genialate: Ron primo cambio di Kobe) che ha dimostrato di avere dei numeri, Morris che ha avuto più minuti di Blake utilizzandoli bene e Hill molto solido.
ps. lo Staples pare aver scelto: we want Phil, we want Phil, we want Phil.
Speriamo.
Meglio quattro mesi zemaniani che una vita da mediocri.
Era inevitabile.Brown aveva perso il controllo dello spogliatoio da tempo ed ormai tutti i "senatori" gli giocavano contro.La prestazione sconcertante contro i Jazz ne era la prova.Resta il fatto che a livello di profondita' il nostro roster e' pessimo,dietro il quintetto base c'e' quasi il vuoto.Adesso servirebbe un duro,un allenatore con i cosiddetti.Phil e' ormai il passato ed inoltre i cavalli di ritorno "sono come il pane raffermo"(citazione del grande Paron Nereo Rocco).Ipotesi Sloan? Io direi si,e' un duro,grande conoscitore di basket,ha allenato il duo Stockton-Malone nell'epoca d'oro dei Jazz e penso che potrebbe fare al caso nostro.Come Obama pero' dovra' fare delle scelte molto drastiche ed impopolari.Una bella trade per Metta?Forse mettere uno svogliato Gasol sul mercato?Chissa....Staremo a vedere.I prossimi giorni dipaneranno tutti i dubbi.
Le quote per il toto-allenatore Lakers proposte da Bovada.lv:
Mike D'Antoni 2-1
Jerry Sloan 2-1
Phil Jackson 5-1
Brian Shaw 5-1
Nate McMillan 6-1
Bernie Bickerstaff 8-1
"i sex symbol,tipo brad pitt e il jas,possono pure mettersi una camicia con tanti piccoli fiorellini colorati,ma rimangono simboli di mascolinità.se la mettiamo noi,ci troviamo con le chiappe chiaccherate" (cit. sua maestà Fleccio)
mi spiace per michele marrone, una brava persona, un buon coach pure ma completamente inadeguato a Los angeles e a questi lakers.
Raramente ho visto i lakers giocare così male e commettere sempre lo stesso tipo di errori per tempi così prolungati.
Ora bring back Phil per l'ultimo giro di valzer con Kobe.
Giordan wrote:Nei prossimi giorni usciranno sicuramente decine di retroscena, chi ha deciso cosa, chi ha licenziato chi, ecc.ecc. - al momento non lo so chi ha fatto cosa, se è colpa di Bryant o se è una guerra all'interno della proprietà... so solo che mandare via un coach dopo 5 partite è una figura di emme epocale, che potrà essere superata solo dallo scegliere un coach peggiore di Brown come suo sostituto, il che è anche probabile se i pezzi grossi (Jax, Sloan) dovessero rifiutare la panchina...
L'errore sta a monte. Brown non doveva mai arrivare su quella panchina. Gli anni ai Cavs potevano avergli insegnato qualcosa o no, io ero per la seconda. Non l'ho mai ritenuto uno in grado di allenare un gruppo di livello e già con i giocatori che aveva poteva fare qualcosa di meglio. Squadre assortite male? Può essere, in diversi casi sì ma o non ti sai imporre alla proprietà o non sai adattarti al roster che ti ritrovi. In attacco deficitario e farraginoso, in difesa (suo punto forte), quest'anno molto male. Le colpe dei giocatori? Ci sono, ma che non avesse in mano la squadra era evidente. Se non hai in mano una squadra così o la proprietà ti impone, schierandosi senza riserve al tuo fianco, o ti manda via. Dal momento che l'hanno mandato via le colpe ricadono interamente su una dirigenza che ha mancato clamorosamente il bersaglio. Ora devono solo non far peggio, che purtroppo, come dici tu, non è affatto da escludere.
Mike Brown non era entrato sottopelle a questa squadra.
Credo sia un buon allenatore, ma per governare degli ego come quelli serve qualcuno con più carisma.
Detto questo, credo che QUESTO roster non sia adatto a vincere l'anello, con Brown o qualsiasi altro coach sulla tolda.
Il rischio naufragio è totale, perchè se la stagione va a sud, rischiamo di perdere Dwight Howard e trovarci con un gruppo di vecchi ed il cap ingestibile; bisognerebbe fare un'altra stagione da schifo, salutare Kobe e Nash per ritiro e amnistiare Gasol... per provare a ripartire dal draft... ovvero 5-6 anni di gulag.
Via subito Gasol! lo dico da quando è arrivato DH12, serve un 4 più atletico, capace di difendere anche sul perimetro e attaccare anche dal perimetro.
Difensivamente copriamo poco campo e siamo poco verticali... una tragedia
Offensivamente apriamo poco il campo e creiamo zero dal palleggio (Steve, where are you?)... altra tragedia
Ripropongo questa trade:
Gasol e Blake ai Bucks
Dalembert, Udrih, Gooden ed Henson agli Hawks
Josh Smith, Devin Harris e DeShawn Stevenson ai Lakers
A mio avviso ci sono soltanto due coach in grado di gestire, con modalità diverse, questa squadra. E sono Phil Jackson, il cui ritorno è a mio avviso legato unicamente ad un fattore economico(chiederà marte e la luna), ma è disponibile, e Larry Brown.
Non do molto credito a coach troppo giovani, D'Antoni compreso, nonostante possa sembrare la scelta più scontata. Sloan forse il meno peggio tra quelli disponibili non nominati, ma ce lo vedo poco calato in una realtà come quella di L.A., con tutte queste prime donne da gestire.
seriamente, non per fare polemica o per prendere per il culo, ma che senso ha che ogni volta Phil Jackson lascia così se poi puntualmente 1 stagione o 2 stagioni dopo ritorna?? boh, mi sembra una delle cose più insensate viste, uno dei più grossi controsensi avuti nel mondo NBA nel nuovo millennio....
Per quanto Jackson abbia dimostrato di saper reggere la pressione, io non sottovaluterei il fattore appagamento e appunto la pressione che oggi su di lui sarebbe ancora più alta che in passato. Vuoi che ha vinto tanto, vuoi che arriva un momento per cui hai vinto troppo per aver voglia di discutere con certe persone (che siano in campo o dietro una scrivania), non mi pare privo di fondamento che possa non volerne sapere. In passato è tornato, evidentemente aveva ricaricato le energie psico-fisiche e trovato nuovi stimoli. Ma quante altre volte potrà accadere? Io credo, ma non mi baso su riscontri precisi, che l'unica altra squadra che potrebbe voler allenare siano i Knicks, per chiudere il cerchio. Ma potrebbe essere soltanto un'idea mia, ben inteso.
Di sicuro, un domani, si dovrebbe ripartire da DH. La finestra per far vincere Kobe è breve e interessa più lui che il team, volendo. Noi qualche anno di mediocrità potrà anche darsi che lo faremo ma tanto per come è messo ora questo roster, li vedo all'orizzonte anche se arrivassero due titoli nei prossimi tre anni.
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