Re: Scandalo NBA?

rodmanalbe82 · Post by **rodmanalbe82** » 20/07/2007, 17:07

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07202007/ne ... _weiss.htm

Si parla di un arbitro, che ha manipolato partite negli ultimi due anni.

Il tutto legato alla mafia.

NckRm · Post by **NckRm** » 20/07/2007, 19:01

Non so, sinceramente speravo che questa cosa mi scioccasse un pò di più, forse è perchè ancora manca credibilità alla notizia, se la situazione però dovesse procedere con indagini ecc. potrei risentirne di più. Certo passare dalla jordan rule a questo ce ne vuole.

mr.kerouac · Post by **mr.kerouac** » 21/07/2007, 3:03

OnTheBizz wrote: Wait and see :gazza:

Wade and see

comunque è una meraviglia vedere stern in questa merda nella lega "perfetta" che ha creato che in realtà è solamente una mostruosa macchina di business che con lo sport c'entra sempre meno... che sia l'alba di un nuovo giorno? speriamo...

maffu · Post by **maffu** » 21/07/2007, 11:16

L'arbitro in questione è Tim Donaghy...la questione sembra abbastanza seria, rischia seriamente il carcere

igotgame · Post by **igotgame** » 21/07/2007, 12:27

Bello vedere come nba.com non parli neanche per sbaglio della vicenda

TeknoFilo · Post by **TeknoFilo** » 21/07/2007, 12:32

NckRm wrote: Non so, sinceramente speravo che questa cosa mi scioccasse un pò di più, forse è perchè ancora manca credibilità alla notizia, se la situazione però dovesse procedere con indagini ecc. potrei risentirne di più. Certo passare dalla jordan rule a questo ce ne vuole.

be dai come fa a scioccarti una cosa simile con i colori bianconeri li sotto....eheh

spero proprio che sia solo una lieve brezza perche dopo il calcio italiano non vorrei mi crollasse un altro mito..

DH-12 · Post by **DH-12** » 21/07/2007, 12:33

igotgame wrote: Bello vedere come nba.com non parli neanche per sbaglio della vicenda

Non proprio...

NEW YORK, July 20, 2007 – NBA Commissioner David Stern has issued the following statement:

"As we previously stated, we have been cooperating with the FBI in their investigation of allegations that a single NBA referee bet on NBA games that he officiated. As part of that cooperation, we were asked by the Government not to comment about the investigation, but in light of the widespread press coverage and the naming of the referee, Tim Donaghy, we consider it appropriate to make a fuller statement.
"We would like to assure our fans that no amount of effort, time or personnel is being spared to assist in this investigation, to bring to justice an individual who has betrayed the most sacred trust in professional sports, and to take the necessary steps to protect against this ever happening again. We will have more to say at a press conference that will be scheduled for next week."

Solo che non possono(vogliono) rilasciare nessun tipo di nformazione con l'indagine in corso...

Andr · Post by **Andr** » 21/07/2007, 15:03

francilive wrote: strano che la stampa statunitense a prescindere non abbia ancora dato la colpa a luciano moggi per l'accaduto.
forse altrove prima di condannare qualcuno, raccolgono prove e fanno regolari processi.

A quanto ho letto sembra che il nome dell'arbitro sia saltato fuori attraverso intercettazioni, quindi non ci ironizzerei molto visto che la situazione è analoga a quella italiana, almeno per quanto riguarda la scoperta della situazione :D

aeroplane_flies_high · Post by **aeroplane_flies_high** » 21/07/2007, 15:51

francilive wrote: strano che la stampa statunitense a prescindere non abbia ancora dato la colpa a luciano moggi per l'accaduto.
forse altrove prima di condannare qualcuno, raccolgono prove e fanno regolari processi.

Se si leggono le parole di Stern si capisce che il suddetto arbitro è nella merda totale.
Immagino che se uno dei massimi dirigenti di una squadra di vertice avesse regalato delle schede telefoniche canadesi a sto arbitro e gli avesse telefonato chiedendogli di dare un tecnico a Rasheed Wallace in modo da fargli raggiungere il tetto che porta alla squalifica, beh non solo Stern avrebbe sotterratto la suddetta squadra, ma l'FBI avrebbe già messo in gabbia l'ipotetico dirigente.

Ricordo a tutti cosa successe quando Minnie fu pescata a promettere un contratto a Joe Smith fuori dai termini di regolamento. Niente draft per i successivi 4 anni su 5.
Senza che nessuno avesse coraggio di fiatare riguardo al così fan tutti, è una congiura, stavo solo scherzando, mi è scoppiata una gomma, avevo finito la benzina, c'era il funerale di mia madre, c'è stato un terremoto, le cavallette, oddio le cavallette!

Ciombe · Post by **Ciombe** » 21/07/2007, 18:13

dopo aver cancellato ben 11 messaggi vi avverto, o la finiamo con le stronzate e le battute scontate e parliamo seriamente di questo scandalo o chiudo il topic...

dirk007 · Post by **dirk007** » 23/07/2007, 9:27

mr.kerouac wrote: Wade and see

comunque è una meraviglia vedere stern in questa merda nella lega "perfetta" che ha creato che in realtà è solamente una mostruosa macchina di business che con lo sport c'entra sempre meno... che sia l'alba di un nuovo giorno? speriamo...

ormai questa lega è fatta solo da giocatori che hanno mille contratti(di almeno 10 milioni di $) con altrettante aziende(guardate lebron james o kobe24).
cmq siccome nba.com nn ne parla d questa faccenda credo che nn ne la voglia spargere in giro xchè altrimenti stern e la nba perdono metà(se no d +)della loro faccia(sempre parlando nel mondo del business) e perciò credo che prima risolvono la questione poi diranno qualcosa ma nemmeno 1/10 d tutta la vicenda

igotgame · Post by **igotgame** » 23/07/2007, 12:27

Ovviamente per andare a cercare notizie più concrete bisogna guardare ovunque fuorchè NBA.com; ho letto questo interessante articolo su SI.com che riporto sotto dove si è cercato di tracciare un profilo per identificare meglio la figura dell'arbitro, senza comunque accennare alle indagini investigative o all'eventuale associazione con la mafia.

SI.com

LAS VEGAS -- Kobe Bryant has lost 15 pounds and is moving like a cobra. LeBron James is excited to be here. Everyone was waving the red, white and blue out in good ol' Sin City on Friday afternoon as 17 NBA players got together for a summer practice session prior to an Olympic qualifying tournament next month.

And the NBA is facing possibly the worst crisis in its history.

"I never would have believed that this would happen," says Mark Madsen, the player representative of the Minnesota Timberwolves. "It's tragic. I never thought I'd be hearing this in 100 years, about any official in any sport."

But it has happened. Sometime next week, referee Tim Donaghy, lowly regarded as a whistle-blower in some circles but qualified enough (in the NBA's view) to work postseason games, reportedly will surrender to the FBI to face charges that he conspired to make calls that would affect the point spread of games. Donaghy, 40, a 13-year veteran who officiated five playoff games in 2007, allegedly had a gambling problem that landed him in financial difficulty, according to the New York Post, which broke the story on its front page on Friday. Says one league source with ties to Philadelphia (Donaghy is one of four NBA refs who graduated from Philadelphia's Cardinal O'Hara High; he attended Villanova and resided in the Quaker City suburbs until recently): "When I heard that a referee was in trouble with gambling, I knew right away it was Donaghy."

Donaghy, who was on duty the night of the infamous Nov. 19, 2004, brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills, has made no comment. NBA officials have been similarly close-mouthed, saying that the FBI has asked them not to speak. Calls to half a dozen referees went unreturned.

But when commissioner David Stern does talk, he will have to answer this: If others knew that Donaghy was a gambler, why didn't the NBA?

In a bit of irony that is no doubt souring Stern's innards, the story broke as the NBA was working out its star-spangled troops in Las Vegas, which is also the site of the Olympic qualifier. Years ago, Stern looked upon Vegas as a modern-day Gomorrah best left ignored because of its ties to gambling. That has changed. Though Stern still expresses reservations about a Vegas-based NBA franchise, the 2007 All-Star Game was staged here, and now that is followed by next month's FIBA Americas Championship, which USA Basketball, headed by former Phoenix Suns owner Jerry Colangelo, lobbied for. One of the league's most prominent ownership teams, the Sacramento Kings' Maloof brothers, Joseph and Gavin, owns a Vegas hotel (the Palms) where players and coaches stayed during All-Star Weekend.

Beyond the issue of the ref's alleged gambling, and whether or not the NBA knew about it, the baby-faced Donaghy is no stranger to trouble. In January 2005 his next-door neighbors in suburban Philadelphia sued him for harassment and invasion of privacy for a pattern of discord that had reportedly gone on for several years. Peter and Lisa Mansueto claimed that Donaghy vandalized their property and stalked them, even to the point of following Mrs. Mansueto around Radley Run Country Club, where Donaghy and the Mansuetos were members. After an internal investigation, Donaghy was suspended from Radley Run for the summer and early fall of 2004. The suit also alleged that Donaghy set fire to the Mansuetos' tractor and crashed their golf cart into a ravine.

Efforts to reach the Mansuetos to confirm the disposition of the lawsuit were unsuccessful as of 6 p.m. on Friday. Donaghy has since sold his Pennsylvania house and moved his family to Bradenton, Fla. Donaghy is the least-regarded of the Cardinal O'Hara foursome, which also includes Joey Crawford, Mike Callahan and Ed Malloy. One NBA coach calls him "absolutely the worst referee in the league," but others are somewhat more charitable. "I'd put him about in the middle," says another coach, requesting anonymity. "Then again, it's a large and undistinguished middle."

Donaghy's competence, or lack thereof, doesn't prove or disprove that he was making crooked calls. But now, as Madsen says, "Every player is going to try to remember their games that he worked. If there were any close games or late calls, players are definitely going to think about that. This is bad."

Though it was obscured by the subsequent riot in the stands between members of the Indiana Pacers and Pistons fans, Donaghy's work on Nov. 19, 2004, at the Palace would've earned him no commendation from the league office. He and Ronnie Garretson, the two senior officials, did little to defuse the situation after Detroit's Ben Wallace threw a punch at Indiana's Ron Artest. Artest then went and lay down on the scorer's table; after a cup of beer was tossed at him from the stands, all hell broke loose.

Donaghy was also on the crew that worked a game in Sacramento on the April 2004 night that the Los Angeles Lakers' Shaquille O'Neal claimed the outcome was "predetermined" after a 102-85 skunking by the Kings. Then again, Vlade Divac, an inventive flopper then playing for the Kings, always brought out Shaq's angry side.

In January 2003 Donaghy and Rasheed Wallace, then with the Portland Trail Blazers, got into a postgame shouting match on the loading dock of the Rose Garden in Portland. Wallace had been upset with some of Donaghy's calls during the game. Again, that proves nothing since at one time or another Sheed, now a Piston, has been upset with everyone's calls. But officials are not supposed to get into offcourt shouting matches with players.

Donaghy, who is about 5-foot-7, looks like a junior-high kid staring up at the players he officiates. He does not have the bulldog demeanor of Crawford (no one does), but a former friend of his says he was highly aggressive. "Tim was an unbelievable athlete, a hard-driving kid, very determined," says Scott Newman, the editorial sales director for Bloomberg North America, who grew up playing basketball in Philly with Donaghy. "He always wanted to be the best. He was a little guy who got the most out of what he had. He was very passionate about what he did."

That's one way to put it. The league source with ties to the Philadelphia area put it this way: "He's the kind of guy who is always in fights. When he was a kid you'd see him throwing rocks at cars. He's just an a--hole. No one likes the guy. He's always in fights on the golf course, that kind of thing. He's a very antagonistic guy. When you have too many enemies, one of them comes back to bite you." Obviously this scandal isn't just about something coming back and biting at Donaghy. It cuts to the heart of a league that struggles with public perception even in the best of times.

"Even though it might be only one guy, it doesn't matter," says an NBA coach. "If you're a fan, you're going to walk out after a game wondering."

Questions about point spreads are prevalent among casual fans even though the subject doesn't come up all that much within the league. I can attest to that -- I just don't hear much conversation about it. (Then again, I'm not a gambling man.) "Things happen too fast in this league to worry about whether you're up two points or 10 points," says one NBA coach. "I don't know how one referee blowing one whistle could have that big of an impact."

But don't think gamblers aren't aware of who's wearing the striped shirt. The website Covers.com tabulates how individual refs perform vis à vis the over-under in every game.

In case you're interested -- and now you are -- Tim Donaghy finished third for the 2006-07 season.

In breve, nell'articolo si dice che Donaghy ha "influenzato" con chiamate falsate delle partite durante le ultime 2 stagioni per incassare una percentuale sulle scommesse, visti i suoi problemi cronici con il gioco d'azzardo.
Poi come spesso accade si parla anche se brevemente della vita privata della persona, e vengono illustrati oltre che ai problemi con il gioco d'azzardo anche problemi di controllo della rabbia, che lo hanno portato a liti con i vicini di casa ed espulsioni dal CC della sua città in Pennsylvania (e a noi di questo non ce ne può fregare di meno).
Riguardo le partite ci sono le testimonianze non dirette di Shaq e Rasheed Wallace, che hanno più volte avuto da ridire sugli arbitraggi, il primo definendo "predeterminata" una partita tra i Lakers e i Kings del 2004, vinta dai Kings con ampio scarto, in cui Shaq ha avuto problemi con Divac, il secondo per dei falli tecnici sospetti, legati ad una eventuale sospensione del giocatore una volta raggiunta la soglia massima di tolleranza.

Se qualcuno avesse trovato errori nella mia praziale traduzione o avesse altro da aggiungere faccia pure

cavsfan23 · Post by **cavsfan23** » 23/07/2007, 16:36

igotgame wrote: il secondo per dei falli tecnici sospetti, legati ad una eventuale sospensione del giocatore una volta raggiunta la soglia massima di tolleranza.

Bah, di falli tecnici sospetti a Sheed...

igotgame · Post by **igotgame** » 23/07/2007, 17:48

Si in effetti Sheed è piuttosto indifendibile.

NckRm · Post by **NckRm** » 23/07/2007, 17:50

Tra le partite inquisite c'è anche gara tre della serie spurs-suns.

Quella è una partita che ho seguito attentamente a differenza delle altre, quindi parlo di questa perchè ho qualcosa da dire, non per fare della sterile polemica.

Un pò di errori in favore spurs effettivamente c'erano stati, nessuno può negarlo (falli di Stat dubbi, ginocchiata di bowen negli zebedei a nash, falli di Duncan fischiati a Oberto ecc), però sinceramente pensavo fossero state solo sviste arbitrali, non di un complotto.
Non so, ancora non ho assorbito il tutto, quindi non riesco ancora a formulare niente di intelligente, però se fosse davvero così un bel pò di cose nella lega dovrebbero cambiare alla svelta...