Occhio ai Pacers....hard times ahead
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Occhio ai Pacers....hard times ahead
Che la NBA sia arrivata al punto di dover cancellare una franchigia?
Da espn.com.:
INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana Pacers co-owner Herb Simon passionately says he doesn't want to see the city without his franchise.
His wishes and the bottom line appear to be at odds.
Among the key issues for the struggling franchise is its operation of Conseco Fieldhouse. The building where the team plays its home games belongs to the Indianapolis Capital Improvement Board, and the Pacers have been paying its $15 million operating cost. Pat Early, the board's vice president, said the Pacers have made it clear that they no longer can pay that amount, in part because they could lose $30 million this season.
Early said the Pacers haven't threatened to leave, but the team would be forced to make some "very difficult decisions" if it remains saddled with the operating cost of the facility or if attendance continues to lag near the bottom of the league.
"It's possible they could move the team," Early said. "It's possible they could sell the team. It is also possible they could shut the team down. What's not possible is the Pacers losing the kind of money they're losing this year indefinitely."
Simon said he doesn't want to move the team, though he acknowledges that the financial losses have accelerated the past three years.
"I have no thought of leaving Indiana," he said. "Only a thought of preserving the Pacers and keeping them in Indiana. That's the only issue right here."
Simon, who has owned the team with his brother, Mel, since 1983, said he doesn't need help with the Pacers.
"We can handle the team," he said. "It's the operation of the facility that's causing us the problem. We're not asking anyone to pay for us. It's just the operating of the facility."
The Pacers and the Capital Improvement Board struck their current deal 10 years ago, and Early said they are in the early stages of renegotiating. He said the board can't pay the operating cost because it already faces a $43 million shortfall, and he's unsure who would.
"That's the big question," he said. "Really, we do not have the funding sources to allow us to be able to do this. We've contacted the state, the Legislature ... we're trying to figure out, are there solutions?"
At the heart of Simon's desire to rework the deal is the fact that he's 74 years old and wants to pass the team along to his heirs at some point.
"The whole reason to do this is to put the team in the financial spot where it can stay here forever," he said. "I'm getting on. I can't be here forever. I can't pass on a structure that doesn't make sense to other people."
Conseco Fieldhouse hosts many other events such as circuses and concerts, and Early said the city would suffer if no one picks up the operating cost, rendering the facility unusable.
"All the arts and entertainment and all that stuff is part of the overall environment we've been able to develop the past 40 years," Early said. "You start taking pieces of the puzzle out, and I don't know at what point it starts falling apart."
The Pacers have lost money nine of the past 10 years, were last in the league in attendance last season, and are only slightly better this season. Pacers fans will have a great deal of say in whether the team stays.
"Maybe the cost of keeping an NBA franchise in Indianapolis is more than the people of the city are willing to incur," Early said.
Da espn.com.:
INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana Pacers co-owner Herb Simon passionately says he doesn't want to see the city without his franchise.
His wishes and the bottom line appear to be at odds.
Among the key issues for the struggling franchise is its operation of Conseco Fieldhouse. The building where the team plays its home games belongs to the Indianapolis Capital Improvement Board, and the Pacers have been paying its $15 million operating cost. Pat Early, the board's vice president, said the Pacers have made it clear that they no longer can pay that amount, in part because they could lose $30 million this season.
Early said the Pacers haven't threatened to leave, but the team would be forced to make some "very difficult decisions" if it remains saddled with the operating cost of the facility or if attendance continues to lag near the bottom of the league.
"It's possible they could move the team," Early said. "It's possible they could sell the team. It is also possible they could shut the team down. What's not possible is the Pacers losing the kind of money they're losing this year indefinitely."
Simon said he doesn't want to move the team, though he acknowledges that the financial losses have accelerated the past three years.
"I have no thought of leaving Indiana," he said. "Only a thought of preserving the Pacers and keeping them in Indiana. That's the only issue right here."
Simon, who has owned the team with his brother, Mel, since 1983, said he doesn't need help with the Pacers.
"We can handle the team," he said. "It's the operation of the facility that's causing us the problem. We're not asking anyone to pay for us. It's just the operating of the facility."
The Pacers and the Capital Improvement Board struck their current deal 10 years ago, and Early said they are in the early stages of renegotiating. He said the board can't pay the operating cost because it already faces a $43 million shortfall, and he's unsure who would.
"That's the big question," he said. "Really, we do not have the funding sources to allow us to be able to do this. We've contacted the state, the Legislature ... we're trying to figure out, are there solutions?"
At the heart of Simon's desire to rework the deal is the fact that he's 74 years old and wants to pass the team along to his heirs at some point.
"The whole reason to do this is to put the team in the financial spot where it can stay here forever," he said. "I'm getting on. I can't be here forever. I can't pass on a structure that doesn't make sense to other people."
Conseco Fieldhouse hosts many other events such as circuses and concerts, and Early said the city would suffer if no one picks up the operating cost, rendering the facility unusable.
"All the arts and entertainment and all that stuff is part of the overall environment we've been able to develop the past 40 years," Early said. "You start taking pieces of the puzzle out, and I don't know at what point it starts falling apart."
The Pacers have lost money nine of the past 10 years, were last in the league in attendance last season, and are only slightly better this season. Pacers fans will have a great deal of say in whether the team stays.
"Maybe the cost of keeping an NBA franchise in Indianapolis is more than the people of the city are willing to incur," Early said.
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Ladies and Gentlemen please stand up for your
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Ma ci sarebbe qualche magnate interessato all'acquista dei Pacers? E poi sbaglio o l'Indiana è stata sempre uno stato molto legato al basket? 


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ridurre le squadre di per se nn sarebbe un'idea così malvagia. Certo perdere indiana........
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Non sbagli...... :gazza:Dwayne wrote: Ma ci sarebbe qualche magnate interessato all'acquista dei Pacers? E poi sbaglio o l'Indiana è stata sempre uno stato molto legato al basket?![]()



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Perchè ridurre le squadre? Cosa potrebbe portare una diminuzione delle franchigie in gara?tika wrote: ridurre le squadre di per se nn sarebbe un'idea così malvagia. Certo perdere indiana........


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Comporterebbe un aumento del livello medio, eliminando le squadre che faticano a stare nella lega. Così tante squadre con record così bassi una volta non c'erano.
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Ossignùr, una NBA con meno squadre è nella mia "wishlist" da anni e anni... ma partire da una franchigia nello stato dell'Indiana?! 
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Io sentii che il vice di Bill Gates voleva creare un progetto di creazione di una franchigia Nba. Può avere a che fare con questa vicenda? 
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Dopo i Sonics i Pacers noooooooooo, ma tagliassero memphis o charlotte con tutto rispetto per i tifosi ma mi pare siano quelle con meno appeal

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Memphis se resisterà si sposterà di sicuro, non so se ad Indianapolis o a Seattle o da qualche altra parte, ma si sposterà prima o poi.Fdb wrote: Dopo i Sonics i Pacers noooooooooo, ma tagliassero memphis o charlotte con tutto rispetto per i tifosi ma mi pare siano quelle con meno appeal
A Charlotte stanno cercando di fare una "North Carolina connection", tenuto conto che c'è il primo owner nero, come dirigente Jordan e come allenatore Larry Brown, per ora non credo ci saranno grandi cambiamenti.
La diminuzione delle franchigie sarebbe una buona cosa secondo me, almeno due in meno non sarebbero male, con qualche modifica per adattare il tutto, in fin dei conti la regoular season quando c'erano 23 squadre era davvero poco interessante, però le squadre erano migliori, le stelle erano meno importanti nell'economia del gioco e quindi si giocava in modo più armonico, con più circolazione di palla e meno isolamenti. Se la stella faceva le bizze e non si adattava, veniva messo ai margini anche se era un talento e finiva in squadre deboli che avevano bisogno di vendere i biglietti. Non è detto che solo diminuendo le squadre accadrebbe questo, ma è una delle misure necessarie per migliorare l'aspetto sportivo.
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Innalzamento della qualità, anche se ovviamente non è detto che sia così. Però considera che meno squadre vuol dire meno giocatori (e di conseguenza dovrebbero essere presi i migliori), e quindi un ragazzino magari ci pensa due volte prima di uscire dal college in anticipo e può completare il suo percorso, formativo e cestistico.Dwayne wrote: Perchè ridurre le squadre? Cosa potrebbe portare una diminuzione delle franchigie in gara?![]()
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Come detto sopra, l'appeal di Charlotte è dato dalle forti radici collegiali dell'area.Fdb wrote: Dopo i Sonics i Pacers noooooooooo, ma tagliassero memphis o charlotte con tutto rispetto per i tifosi ma mi pare siano quelle con meno appeal
Poi come franchigia, ci sta anche perchè gia' ai tempi degli Hornets il Coliseum era sempre pieno e tutta la vicenda del loro trasferimento nella Big Easy è stata un'altra delle porcate che Stern ha infilato in questi ultimi anni.
Memphis resta un mistero, anche perchè si sapevo che sarebbe finita così.
I favori esistono anche oltreoceano ed evidentemente bisognava accontentare mr Heisley
Ma siamo ai "soliti italiani" di buffiana memoria, quindi meglio non addentrarsi in questi discorsi...
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No, anche i Pacers no cazzo 
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l'indiana è uno stato molto legato al basket si, ma il vero basket è quello collegiale, se non sbaglio qualche tempo fa uscì un articolo sullo share televisivo di avvenimenti sportivi e l'NBA arrivava, nel mercato statunitense, dopo o comunque molto vicina al college basket che è, per forza di cose, più radicato nella cultura americana.
Per quanto riguarda il socio di Bill Gates, tale Paul Allen è il proprietario dei Blazers.. o c'è un altro socio oppure non penso si possa comprare un'altra franchigia, se Bill non fosse così fuori dallo sport potrebbe comprare i Pacers e portarli a Seattle...
Per quanto riguarda il socio di Bill Gates, tale Paul Allen è il proprietario dei Blazers.. o c'è un altro socio oppure non penso si possa comprare un'altra franchigia, se Bill non fosse così fuori dallo sport potrebbe comprare i Pacers e portarli a Seattle...

... and i think Michael Jordan should kiss the ground you walk
