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marion non era un progetto
era stato preso per i suoi 17 ML in scadenza, cedendo il biennale di oltre 20 ML di Jermaine
era stato preso per i suoi 17 ML in scadenza, cedendo il biennale di oltre 20 ML di Jermaine
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Perchè, visto il modo in cui è arrivato a Toronto, Turkoglu era "in progetto"? :DHeat33 wrote: marion non era un progetto
era stato preso per i suoi 17 ML in scadenza, cedendo il biennale di oltre 20 ML di Jermaine
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a priori si visto il cotratto che gli hanno fatto firmare
progetto poi fallito miseramente e gli è andata bene che sono riusciti a scaricarlo
progetto poi fallito miseramente e gli è andata bene che sono riusciti a scaricarlo
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no non ci voglio/posso credere. Se devi prendere un giocatore in progetto non aspetti che ci si accordi con un'altra squadra per poi soffiarlo all'ultimo momento a suon di quattrini, creando in più inutile astio.
Non so come pensa/valuta le sue mosse Colangelo, ma qualche serata con lui me la farei volentieri....

Non so come pensa/valuta le sue mosse Colangelo, ma qualche serata con lui me la farei volentieri....
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Turkoglu è stato preso per cercare nell'immediato di fare bene nei playoff, quasi come se sapessero dell'addio di Bosh e volessero tentare di vincere nell'ultimo anno di Cris. Il turco era in crescendo in carriera e avrebbe potuto fare ancora meglio, ma non era un giocatore da progetto, così come Marion.
Ford per l'età era un giocatore da progetto. A quei tempi è stato meglio puntare su Calderon? allora adesso non lamentiamoci del contrattone di josè di volerlo mandare via ecc...
Discorso allenatore sono d'accordo, ci vorrebbe un' esperto di playoff.
Sulla perdita di Bosh si poteva far meglio, oppure le 3 stelle di Miami erano gia d'accordo da 1 anno e quindi nulla ?
Ford per l'età era un giocatore da progetto. A quei tempi è stato meglio puntare su Calderon? allora adesso non lamentiamoci del contrattone di josè di volerlo mandare via ecc...
Discorso allenatore sono d'accordo, ci vorrebbe un' esperto di playoff.
Sulla perdita di Bosh si poteva far meglio, oppure le 3 stelle di Miami erano gia d'accordo da 1 anno e quindi nulla ?
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Marion non era un progetto, era in scadenza ok
ma visto che il suo lo faceva e lo faceva senza alterare il sistema (facciamo lo sforzo di chiamarlo cosi), visto che difendeva piu lui che gli altri 4...
vistyo tutto ciò Marion poteva diventare parte di un progetto...se rifirmato a cifre prossime alla metà del Turkoglu
ma questo "progetto" non è stato seguito
ne è stato intrapreso un altro...
ma neanche questo è stato seguito...
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insimma concludo una volta per tutte...
non critico Marion, Turkoglu o altri
critico il fare mosse importanti e non crederci!!!
ma visto che il suo lo faceva e lo faceva senza alterare il sistema (facciamo lo sforzo di chiamarlo cosi), visto che difendeva piu lui che gli altri 4...
vistyo tutto ciò Marion poteva diventare parte di un progetto...se rifirmato a cifre prossime alla metà del Turkoglu
ma questo "progetto" non è stato seguito
ne è stato intrapreso un altro...
ma neanche questo è stato seguito...
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insimma concludo una volta per tutte...
non critico Marion, Turkoglu o altri
critico il fare mosse importanti e non crederci!!!
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Magari impara qualcosa :gazza:
Triano to replace D'Antoni as assistant coach with US team at world tournament
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... JVBeaV2gSA
Triano to replace D'Antoni as assistant coach with US team at world tournament
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... JVBeaV2gSA
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Comunque Kleiza potrebbe essere una piacevole sorpresa, nel suo ultimo anno a Denver prima di approdare in Grecia ha avuto delle buone cifre:
11 punti e 4 rimbalzi in 24 minuti di media, con il 47% dal campo e il 34% da 3, in 79 partite giocate di cui 13 da titolare.
Questo nel 2007/2008 quando aveva 22 anni.
11 punti e 4 rimbalzi in 24 minuti di media, con il 47% dal campo e il 34% da 3, in 79 partite giocate di cui 13 da titolare.
Questo nel 2007/2008 quando aveva 22 anni.
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Mi fanno impressione le parole di Turkoglu su Colangelo e la dirigenza dei Raptors. Posto che il turco proprio non ha legato col Canada, c'è andato giù pesante e a parer mio anche con cognizione di causa; ha detto che Colangelo ha fatto una cazzata a sparar addosso a Bosh dicendo che non s'è più impegnato nel finale di stagione facendo precipitare la squadra fuori dai PO. Il turco ha detto che è facile parlare dopo che Bosh se n'è andato... se la sensazione era quella, il GM avrebbe dovuto parlare durante la stagione... o taccia per sempre!
la questione rimane aperta, la dirigenza sembra non aver ben in mente che direzione prendere e la trade saltata con i Bobcats pare l'ennesima conferma dell'incapacità di gestire con sagacia... ora si ritrovano un Calderon col pepe al culo, con Jack e Barbosa che minacciano di togliergli spazio...
speriamo che il mago faccia un salto di qualità, ma dopo averlo visto con la nazionale mi pare evidente che se non gli si mette in fianco un lungo con le palle e le spalle quadrate non si va da nessuna parte
la questione rimane aperta, la dirigenza sembra non aver ben in mente che direzione prendere e la trade saltata con i Bobcats pare l'ennesima conferma dell'incapacità di gestire con sagacia... ora si ritrovano un Calderon col pepe al culo, con Jack e Barbosa che minacciano di togliergli spazio...
speriamo che il mago faccia un salto di qualità, ma dopo averlo visto con la nazionale mi pare evidente che se non gli si mette in fianco un lungo con le palle e le spalle quadrate non si va da nessuna parte
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Comunque, i Raptors a Londra son da vedere... :figo:
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Triano? Un canadese come assistant coach di Usa team? CuriosoChris Paul wrote: Magari impara qualcosa :gazza:
Triano to replace D'Antoni as assistant coach with US team at world tournament
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... JVBeaV2gSA
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si ma la cosa piu curiosa è che han messo la un coach tra i peggiori mai visti...
come se Maifredi dopo l'anno fallimentare alla Juve-post-Italia'90 avessero dato il ruolo di vice allenatore della nazionale
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come se Maifredi dopo l'anno fallimentare alla Juve-post-Italia'90 avessero dato il ruolo di vice allenatore della nazionale
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fondation "save Marion soldier...also called "
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E' vero, però ha esperienza di nazionali, di regole e campi diversi da quelli nba.nolian wrote: si ma la cosa piu curiosa è che han messo la un coach tra i peggiori mai visti...
come se Maifredi dopo l'anno fallimentare alla Juve-post-Italia'90 avessero dato il ruolo di vice allenatore della nazionale
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Calderon for Granger makes sense
It’s hard to pinpoint where it’s coming from, but there has been considerable speculation about a trade which would send Jose Calderon trade to the Pacers. Michael Grange had reported this on July 14th and at that time Roy Hibbert was Colangelo’s apparent target. Recently Hoopsworld reported further interest in a trade so I’ll go ahead and believe for a second that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Whether Calderon is a better fit than Jack doesn’t matter very much at this point. Jack’s lower salary, better perceived defense, durability and ability to switch over to play the two in spots, puts him ahead of Calderon in the depth chart. His appearance at summer league had to have gone well with the club and his recent 7 pound weight drop and fitness routine has also got to be respected by the franchise.
What would we want in a Jose Calderon trade? I’d be willing to take a defensive center, a small-forward or another point guard. Since the Pacers are looking to cut costs and taking on Calderon goes completely against their current thinking, you would have to believe that any deal would see the Raptors taking on more salary, thus using their TPE. So you can throw out individual trades like Calderon for Dunleavy out the window, especially since the latter is an expiring contract valued at $10.5M. Same goes for Troy Murphy, who is expiring at $12M. The Pacers have a lot of faith in A.J Price, but he’s not ready to start just yet, and it is conceivable that they’d want him to be Calderon’s understudy of sorts for a season or two, but that alone isn’t worth it for them.
If the Pacers are looking to cut costs, the only way a Calderon deal makes sense is if they’re willing to trade Danny Granger, one of only two pacers (Dahntay Jones) to have a guaranteed contract beyond 2011-12. Whereas Calderon is owed $29.2M through 2012-13, Granger is owed $49.9M through 2013-14. Granger has missed 35 games over the last two season and Calderon has missed 28; it’s safe to say both have had trouble staying on the floor, but you can actually make a case that Calderon is the more valuable player. In Granger’s five season in Indiana, the team has made the playoffs once, losing in the first round. The win totals in those five seasons are also disappointing: 41, 35, 36, 36 and 32.
With the NBA lockout looming, teams would be reluctant to take on a contract like him; even if you leave that aside, it’s difficult to sell him as a player because he’s shown very little other than being a good player on a bad team. At this point in his career, you can argue that he’s either reached his ceiling or is very close to it and no team would take him on expecting him to improve on what he’s already shown. That’s close to $50M for an injury-prone player who hoists seven more shots than anybody on his team while the team racks up mid-30s win totals. If the Pacers are to truly rebuild, can they afford to have a player like him on the roster? They can’t, but it makes sense for the Colangelo-led Raptors.
If Colangelo is aiming for a quick fix or a way to revitalize interest in Raptors basketball, all he has to do is acquire Granger and the fans will love him. We already have fond memories of Granger because we passed on him twice, once in favor of Joey Graham, so getting him now would be like the prodigal son returning home. Colangelo could sell him as part of the “Young Gunz” package and tomorrow we’d be talking about making a run at the fourth seed. Talking that is, not actually doing it. Throw in Roy Hibbert, a young center with that dreaded word ‘potential’, and you could even say the Raptors won the deal and used their TPE most wisely. Colangelo would make a big splash in the summer market just like he has in the last two. The Raptors would have a starting five of: Bargnani, Johnson, Granger, DeRozan and Jack; backing them up would be Hibbert, Davis, Weems, Belinelli and Barbosa. On paper, that reads like a solid core which you can sell some season tickets on.
With seven expiring contracts the Pacers are in rebuild mode, and the final piece of the puzzle for them could be shipping off Danny Granger so that they can lose 60 games, get a high pick and go from there. From their perspective, they just shed $20M in salary which is a lot in today’s economic climate, even if it happens to be over four years. Calderon’s overpaid, but his contract could be considered reasonable by a team who’s looking to get some stability and become more conservative in the back-court, especially in a year or two, so it is possible that the Pacers could parlay him into something else down the road. There’s a good chance that as Granger goes older, he’s going to become more injury prone. It’s a trade-off the Pacers could be willing to make, and more importantly, so could Colangelo.
It’s hard to pinpoint where it’s coming from, but there has been considerable speculation about a trade which would send Jose Calderon trade to the Pacers. Michael Grange had reported this on July 14th and at that time Roy Hibbert was Colangelo’s apparent target. Recently Hoopsworld reported further interest in a trade so I’ll go ahead and believe for a second that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Whether Calderon is a better fit than Jack doesn’t matter very much at this point. Jack’s lower salary, better perceived defense, durability and ability to switch over to play the two in spots, puts him ahead of Calderon in the depth chart. His appearance at summer league had to have gone well with the club and his recent 7 pound weight drop and fitness routine has also got to be respected by the franchise.
What would we want in a Jose Calderon trade? I’d be willing to take a defensive center, a small-forward or another point guard. Since the Pacers are looking to cut costs and taking on Calderon goes completely against their current thinking, you would have to believe that any deal would see the Raptors taking on more salary, thus using their TPE. So you can throw out individual trades like Calderon for Dunleavy out the window, especially since the latter is an expiring contract valued at $10.5M. Same goes for Troy Murphy, who is expiring at $12M. The Pacers have a lot of faith in A.J Price, but he’s not ready to start just yet, and it is conceivable that they’d want him to be Calderon’s understudy of sorts for a season or two, but that alone isn’t worth it for them.
If the Pacers are looking to cut costs, the only way a Calderon deal makes sense is if they’re willing to trade Danny Granger, one of only two pacers (Dahntay Jones) to have a guaranteed contract beyond 2011-12. Whereas Calderon is owed $29.2M through 2012-13, Granger is owed $49.9M through 2013-14. Granger has missed 35 games over the last two season and Calderon has missed 28; it’s safe to say both have had trouble staying on the floor, but you can actually make a case that Calderon is the more valuable player. In Granger’s five season in Indiana, the team has made the playoffs once, losing in the first round. The win totals in those five seasons are also disappointing: 41, 35, 36, 36 and 32.
With the NBA lockout looming, teams would be reluctant to take on a contract like him; even if you leave that aside, it’s difficult to sell him as a player because he’s shown very little other than being a good player on a bad team. At this point in his career, you can argue that he’s either reached his ceiling or is very close to it and no team would take him on expecting him to improve on what he’s already shown. That’s close to $50M for an injury-prone player who hoists seven more shots than anybody on his team while the team racks up mid-30s win totals. If the Pacers are to truly rebuild, can they afford to have a player like him on the roster? They can’t, but it makes sense for the Colangelo-led Raptors.
If Colangelo is aiming for a quick fix or a way to revitalize interest in Raptors basketball, all he has to do is acquire Granger and the fans will love him. We already have fond memories of Granger because we passed on him twice, once in favor of Joey Graham, so getting him now would be like the prodigal son returning home. Colangelo could sell him as part of the “Young Gunz” package and tomorrow we’d be talking about making a run at the fourth seed. Talking that is, not actually doing it. Throw in Roy Hibbert, a young center with that dreaded word ‘potential’, and you could even say the Raptors won the deal and used their TPE most wisely. Colangelo would make a big splash in the summer market just like he has in the last two. The Raptors would have a starting five of: Bargnani, Johnson, Granger, DeRozan and Jack; backing them up would be Hibbert, Davis, Weems, Belinelli and Barbosa. On paper, that reads like a solid core which you can sell some season tickets on.
With seven expiring contracts the Pacers are in rebuild mode, and the final piece of the puzzle for them could be shipping off Danny Granger so that they can lose 60 games, get a high pick and go from there. From their perspective, they just shed $20M in salary which is a lot in today’s economic climate, even if it happens to be over four years. Calderon’s overpaid, but his contract could be considered reasonable by a team who’s looking to get some stability and become more conservative in the back-court, especially in a year or two, so it is possible that the Pacers could parlay him into something else down the road. There’s a good chance that as Granger goes older, he’s going to become more injury prone. It’s a trade-off the Pacers could be willing to make, and more importantly, so could Colangelo.
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