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si parla con insistenza di un discorso ampiamente aperto per il passaggio del futuro free-agent CC Sabathia ai brewers.
i nomi dei prospetti in ballo sono altisonanti: la porta, gamel escobar. questi sono un pò troppo a mio parere, più fattibile lo scambio con l'ottimo 3B taylor green (class A) e magari uno dei nostri OF razzi senza braccio, tipo gillespie o ford (che è anche senza mazza) brentley.
i nomi dei prospetti in ballo sono altisonanti: la porta, gamel escobar. questi sono un pò troppo a mio parere, più fattibile lo scambio con l'ottimo 3B taylor green (class A) e magari uno dei nostri OF razzi senza braccio, tipo gillespie o ford (che è anche senza mazza) brentley.
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belin, me la stavo godendo, facendo già tutti i calcoli tipo riprendiamo i cards in 7 poi i cubs in 12, poi conquistiamo la kamchatka e distruggiamo le armate gialle, quando è successo l'irreparabile.Ammasso wrote: Stavo giusto tenendo sott'occhio il topic aspettando kalle :lol2:
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Non credo che un OF sia nella lista di Shapiro, ne abbiamo fin troppi nelle Minors (Crowe, Weglarz e Snyder sono tre potenziali callup a settembre), considerato pure che Francisco e Choo già giocano nelle Majors. A noi serve altro e LaPorta è la chiave di tutto, sembra che la vostra offerta sia LaPorta più Escobar. Circola comunque voce che siate più propensi ad inserire Hardy piuttosto che Escobar, ma Hardy è a 2 anni dalla free-agency, non credo interessi. Gamel è un ottimo prospetto, così come lo è Taylor Green che pare sia stato seguito dal nostro staff. I nomi comunque sono quelli anche se non lascerei fuori dalla discussione Parra. La mia sensazione è che l'affare si farà.kalle wrote: si parla con insistenza di un discorso ampiamente aperto per il passaggio del futuro free-agent CC Sabathia ai brewers.
i nomi dei prospetti in ballo sono altisonanti: la porta, gamel escobar. questi sono un pò troppo a mio parere, più fattibile lo scambio con l'ottimo 3B taylor green (class A) e magari uno dei nostri OF razzi senza braccio, tipo gillespie o ford (che è anche senza mazza) brentley.
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L'affare si può fare. Bisogna anche ricordarsi che:
1) LaPorta non è un OF, ma un 1B o DH.
2) Gamel è un 3B alla Ryan Braun (ma a proposito, che fine ha fatto? Ho visto la sua OBP che ormai è comica - se va in un minislump fa più danni della grandine, o batte HR o tende all'inutilità assoluta): non è un 3B.
Però si può fare.
E che nono inning ieri sera, wow che emozioni, anche se non sarà stato facile vederlo da Brewer.
1) LaPorta non è un OF, ma un 1B o DH.
2) Gamel è un 3B alla Ryan Braun (ma a proposito, che fine ha fatto? Ho visto la sua OBP che ormai è comica - se va in un minislump fa più danni della grandine, o batte HR o tende all'inutilità assoluta): non è un 3B.
Però si può fare.
E che nono inning ieri sera, wow che emozioni, anche se non sarà stato facile vederlo da Brewer.
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la porta ed escobar (fonte fox) è una offerta incomprensibile, non penso sia vera.
3 mesi di CC per 2 dei primi 3 prospetti position players, mi sembra troppo.
dicono che escobar sia meglio di hardy, la porta sostituirà fielder.
vedo, e non sto scherzando, più facile muovere fielder che la porta/escobar.
gamel è mancino, non penso i brewers possano permettersi di privarsene.
la difesa "brauniana" è migliorata notevolmente. da ottava piaga d'egitto siamo passati a catastrofe naturale, quindi sono ottimista.
penso possa partire anche weeks, che necessita di un cambio di scenario, con escobar in SS e Hardy 2B.
braun e fielder sono ai minimi livelli, ma hart e hardy compensano alla grande.
parra (7-0 il parziale still counting) non penso verrà smosso, anche alla luce del quasi certo addio a sheets.
eppoi 3 mesi di CC per Parra non ha nessun senso anche nell'immediato. magari bush o mc lung...
3 mesi di CC per 2 dei primi 3 prospetti position players, mi sembra troppo.
dicono che escobar sia meglio di hardy, la porta sostituirà fielder.
vedo, e non sto scherzando, più facile muovere fielder che la porta/escobar.
gamel è mancino, non penso i brewers possano permettersi di privarsene.
la difesa "brauniana" è migliorata notevolmente. da ottava piaga d'egitto siamo passati a catastrofe naturale, quindi sono ottimista.
penso possa partire anche weeks, che necessita di un cambio di scenario, con escobar in SS e Hardy 2B.
braun e fielder sono ai minimi livelli, ma hart e hardy compensano alla grande.
parra (7-0 il parziale still counting) non penso verrà smosso, anche alla luce del quasi certo addio a sheets.
eppoi 3 mesi di CC per Parra non ha nessun senso anche nell'immediato. magari bush o mc lung...
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Avevo un alzataccia stamane e ieri sera ho resistito fino all'ottavo sul 5-0 pensando ad un risultato in ghiaccio..... ora arrivo a casa e vedo 5-6 Arizona...non mi va giù...non ci credo...mi dispiace veramentekalle wrote: belin, me la stavo godendo, facendo già tutti i calcoli tipo riprendiamo i cards in 7 poi i cubs in 12, poi conquistiamo la kamchatka e distruggiamo le armate gialle, quando è successo l'irreparabile.
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it ain't over 'til it's over!Jacoby wrote: Avevo un alzataccia stamane e ieri sera ho resistito fino all'ottavo sul 5-0 pensando ad un risultato in ghiaccio..... ora arrivo a casa e vedo 5-6 Arizona...non mi va giù...non ci credo...mi dispiace veramente
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La Porta ED Escobar sarà difficile a meno che noi inseriamo qualcun altro. Uno dei due però è sempre più probabile.kalle wrote: si parla con insistenza di un discorso ampiamente aperto per il passaggio del futuro free-agent CC Sabathia ai brewers.
i nomi dei prospetti in ballo sono altisonanti: la porta, gamel escobar.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/s ... rewer.html
E visto che La Porta finirà per giocare come 1B o DH direi che è quello che noi dovremmo chiedere con più insistenza.
Poi CC ce lo firmiamo in Off-season e così ci becchiamo La Porta e poi di nuovo CC
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la porta per CC si può fare.
io non lo farei, ma si può fare.
escobar è l'unico prospetto di impatto per il middle infield e non possiamo permetterci di mandarlo altrove.
sizemore e CC x fielder e la porta, lo fareste?
io non lo farei, ma si può fare.
escobar è l'unico prospetto di impatto per il middle infield e non possiamo permetterci di mandarlo altrove.
sizemore e CC x fielder e la porta, lo fareste?
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Sizemore a Cleveland non si tocca!kalle wrote: sizemore e CC x fielder e la porta, lo fareste?
E' assolutamente impossibile una sua cessione.
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ok, la trade di sizemore è una mia invenzione, ma volevo sapere la vostra opinione.
non conosco la farm degli indiani, ma in un post precedente ho letto che all'esterno siete tutt'altro che sguarniti..
comunque, ecco un lista dei nostri migliori prospetti.
serve qualcosa?
1 01 Gamel, Mat AA 3B 22 L R
Mat Gamel becomes king for at least a month atop the Power 50. It's still prospect 1A and 1B between Gamel and LaPorta, but Gamel's potential ability to play third base and his left-handed power stick puts him now just ahead of LaPorta. Plus, dude is hitting .379.
1 02 LaPorta, Matt AA OF 23 R R
A 1000 OPS in Huntsville and decent corner outfield defense just doesn't get you what it used to anymore. Dropping a spot is no slight to LaPorta, it's more of a recognition of Gamel's amazing season at the plate and Gamel's ability to play (maybe) one more position than LaPorta.
03 Escobar, Alcides AA SS 21 R R
Hanging on to the #3 spot by the hair of his goatee thanks to a hard-charging Jeremy Jeffress. Alcides cooled off in June after a monstrous May but he's done more than enough to earn a promotion, whenever it is the Brewers decide to promote him.
04 Jeffress, Jeremy A+ SP 20 R R
In nine starts to begin his suspension-shortened 2008 season, Jeremy has allowed 1 or fewer runs six times and 5 or more runs the other three times. When Jeffress is on, there are few better in the minor leagues.
05 Salome, Angel AA C 22 R R
Angel has acquitted himself thoroughly at the plate in Huntsville, but the story still goes that it's defense that decides if he will and how long it'll take for him to get to Milwaukee. In all likelihood, Angel will stay in Huntsville for the remainder of the season.
06 Green, Taylor A+ 3B 21 L R
Normally a season like the one Taylor has put up in Brevard would have all but stamped the ticket to Huntsville for him, but there's no room in the Stars' inn at third or second.
3 07 Braddock, Zach A+ SP 20 L L
I'm curious to see how many innings the Brewers let Braddock pitch this year. Going by the rule that you add 25-30 innings per year, he'll have to be shut down after 77 innings this year, but he may have pitched other innings last year that were not "on the record."
1 08 Lucroy, Jonathan A+ C 22 R R
Lucroy just keeps on hitting and his present overall defensive level is greater than Salome's, so Jonathan is certainly putting pressure on the Stars' backstop. Once Lawrie signs and Palmisano gets healthy, there could be a huge logjam of catching at the top of the system in a few years.
new 09 Odorizzi, Jake R SP 18 R R
The first of 1.8 million pitchers selected by the Brewers in the 2008 June draft, Odorizzi brings a number of quality pitches and smooth mechanics to the mound but there's still no word on whether he's willing to accept "Eggs" as a nickname.
1 10 Brantley, Michael AA OF 21 L L
Starting to show a little bit of power and he really just needs enough power to keep opposing pitchers honest to succeed at the major league level. Hopefully a recent leg injury won't keep him out too long.
4 11 Gillespie, Cole AA LF 24 R R
It's beginning to look more and more like Cole is: a)going to get to the big leagues sometime in the not-too-distant future and b)not going to get to the big leagues with Milwaukee unless other people are traded. With Hart and Braun locked in the Brewers outfield, there appears to be only one spot opening up and despite his fantastic minor league career, Gillespie is not on the top of the list of guys penciled in to the third outfield spot.
4 12 Pena, Luis AAA CL 25 R R
Still walking too many guys in AAA and had a few recent prime opportunities to work his way onto the Milwaukee roster pass him by in part because of that.
1 13 Cain, Lorenzo A+ RF 22 R R
Cain is beginning to drive the ball with much more authority and even earned a brief cup of coffee with Nashville recently... if Lorenzo starts drawing some more walks again, watch out.
new 14 Frederickson, Evan A SP 21 L L
Big lefty with a big fastball is already on his way to West Virginia and hasn't yet shown the control problems that plagued him in his college career.
1 15 Brewer, Brent A+ SS 20 R R
While the lower minors aren't really about production, you kind of have to wonder how the significant offensive drop-off Brewer suffered this year while repeating in West Virginia earned him a promotion to Brevard.
1 16 Gindl, Caleb A RF 19 L L
The trend of increased walks Brad noted last month continued in June, though the relatively high number of strike outs and relatively little amount of power continued. We like Caleb as a prospect, but he's going to have to keep proving people wrong given his small frame.
4 17 Periard, Alex A+ SP 21 L R
After a rough May, Periard had an impressive June, logging 33 innings in 5 starts - an almost unheard of number nowadays for a young pitcher in A-ball... he's going to come close to running into his innings limit (140ish) by the middle/end of August, but that's a good thing.
5 18 Iribarren, Hernan AAA OF 24 L R
Has the Hurricane finally met his match in AAA pitching? If he hasn't, he has definitely not fully adjusted to them yet. Given his defensive limitations at second base and center field, it is imperative that he hits.
2 19 Nelson, Brad AAA 1B 25 L R
As Nelson keeps hitting in AAA and reclaiming his prospect status, he's forcing the Brewers to make a decision on his future because he will be out of options next spring and you'd have to think that he would not clear waivers.
2 20 Dillard, Tim AAA MR 24 R R
After sitting in the bullpen for nearly a week in Milwaukee, Dillard couldn't throw strikes when they finally used him and he got demoted to AAA. He still has work to do on his secondary pitches, but his future in the Brewers' bullpen sure looks bright
non conosco la farm degli indiani, ma in un post precedente ho letto che all'esterno siete tutt'altro che sguarniti..
comunque, ecco un lista dei nostri migliori prospetti.
serve qualcosa?
1 01 Gamel, Mat AA 3B 22 L R
Mat Gamel becomes king for at least a month atop the Power 50. It's still prospect 1A and 1B between Gamel and LaPorta, but Gamel's potential ability to play third base and his left-handed power stick puts him now just ahead of LaPorta. Plus, dude is hitting .379.
1 02 LaPorta, Matt AA OF 23 R R
A 1000 OPS in Huntsville and decent corner outfield defense just doesn't get you what it used to anymore. Dropping a spot is no slight to LaPorta, it's more of a recognition of Gamel's amazing season at the plate and Gamel's ability to play (maybe) one more position than LaPorta.
03 Escobar, Alcides AA SS 21 R R
Hanging on to the #3 spot by the hair of his goatee thanks to a hard-charging Jeremy Jeffress. Alcides cooled off in June after a monstrous May but he's done more than enough to earn a promotion, whenever it is the Brewers decide to promote him.
04 Jeffress, Jeremy A+ SP 20 R R
In nine starts to begin his suspension-shortened 2008 season, Jeremy has allowed 1 or fewer runs six times and 5 or more runs the other three times. When Jeffress is on, there are few better in the minor leagues.
05 Salome, Angel AA C 22 R R
Angel has acquitted himself thoroughly at the plate in Huntsville, but the story still goes that it's defense that decides if he will and how long it'll take for him to get to Milwaukee. In all likelihood, Angel will stay in Huntsville for the remainder of the season.
06 Green, Taylor A+ 3B 21 L R
Normally a season like the one Taylor has put up in Brevard would have all but stamped the ticket to Huntsville for him, but there's no room in the Stars' inn at third or second.
3 07 Braddock, Zach A+ SP 20 L L
I'm curious to see how many innings the Brewers let Braddock pitch this year. Going by the rule that you add 25-30 innings per year, he'll have to be shut down after 77 innings this year, but he may have pitched other innings last year that were not "on the record."
1 08 Lucroy, Jonathan A+ C 22 R R
Lucroy just keeps on hitting and his present overall defensive level is greater than Salome's, so Jonathan is certainly putting pressure on the Stars' backstop. Once Lawrie signs and Palmisano gets healthy, there could be a huge logjam of catching at the top of the system in a few years.
new 09 Odorizzi, Jake R SP 18 R R
The first of 1.8 million pitchers selected by the Brewers in the 2008 June draft, Odorizzi brings a number of quality pitches and smooth mechanics to the mound but there's still no word on whether he's willing to accept "Eggs" as a nickname.
1 10 Brantley, Michael AA OF 21 L L
Starting to show a little bit of power and he really just needs enough power to keep opposing pitchers honest to succeed at the major league level. Hopefully a recent leg injury won't keep him out too long.
4 11 Gillespie, Cole AA LF 24 R R
It's beginning to look more and more like Cole is: a)going to get to the big leagues sometime in the not-too-distant future and b)not going to get to the big leagues with Milwaukee unless other people are traded. With Hart and Braun locked in the Brewers outfield, there appears to be only one spot opening up and despite his fantastic minor league career, Gillespie is not on the top of the list of guys penciled in to the third outfield spot.
4 12 Pena, Luis AAA CL 25 R R
Still walking too many guys in AAA and had a few recent prime opportunities to work his way onto the Milwaukee roster pass him by in part because of that.
1 13 Cain, Lorenzo A+ RF 22 R R
Cain is beginning to drive the ball with much more authority and even earned a brief cup of coffee with Nashville recently... if Lorenzo starts drawing some more walks again, watch out.
new 14 Frederickson, Evan A SP 21 L L
Big lefty with a big fastball is already on his way to West Virginia and hasn't yet shown the control problems that plagued him in his college career.
1 15 Brewer, Brent A+ SS 20 R R
While the lower minors aren't really about production, you kind of have to wonder how the significant offensive drop-off Brewer suffered this year while repeating in West Virginia earned him a promotion to Brevard.
1 16 Gindl, Caleb A RF 19 L L
The trend of increased walks Brad noted last month continued in June, though the relatively high number of strike outs and relatively little amount of power continued. We like Caleb as a prospect, but he's going to have to keep proving people wrong given his small frame.
4 17 Periard, Alex A+ SP 21 L R
After a rough May, Periard had an impressive June, logging 33 innings in 5 starts - an almost unheard of number nowadays for a young pitcher in A-ball... he's going to come close to running into his innings limit (140ish) by the middle/end of August, but that's a good thing.
5 18 Iribarren, Hernan AAA OF 24 L R
Has the Hurricane finally met his match in AAA pitching? If he hasn't, he has definitely not fully adjusted to them yet. Given his defensive limitations at second base and center field, it is imperative that he hits.
2 19 Nelson, Brad AAA 1B 25 L R
As Nelson keeps hitting in AAA and reclaiming his prospect status, he's forcing the Brewers to make a decision on his future because he will be out of options next spring and you'd have to think that he would not clear waivers.
2 20 Dillard, Tim AAA MR 24 R R
After sitting in the bullpen for nearly a week in Milwaukee, Dillard couldn't throw strikes when they finally used him and he got demoted to AAA. He still has work to do on his secondary pitches, but his future in the Brewers' bullpen sure looks bright
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Sabathia a fine stagione vi porterà 2 scelte, così come ve le porterà Sheets. 4 scelte in cambio di LaPorta ed Escobar, non mi sembrano malaccio... Sinceramente dubito che Sabathia (sempre se dovesse andare in porto la trade) possa prolungare a fine stagione con voi. Ci vogliono i soldi di Zito e non credo possiate competere con gli Yankees da questo lato. Più che Escobar, citato in più fonti, credo in un pacchetto LaPorta + Green. In ogni caso, questa, sarà la versione 2008 della trade di Colon.kalle wrote: la porta ed escobar (fonte fox) è una offerta incomprensibile, non penso sia vera.
3 mesi di CC per 2 dei primi 3 prospetti position players, mi sembra troppo.
Sizemore?
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beh, intanto le 2 scelte di sheets ce le avremmo comunque...TheFan17 wrote: Sabathia a fine stagione vi porterà 2 scelte, così come ve le porterà Sheets. 4 scelte in cambio di LaPorta ed Escobar, non mi sembrano malaccio...
il fatto è che la porta è un clone destro di gamel (grande mazza senza posizione difensiva), per cui uno dei 2 è spendibile, lo stesso dicasi del catcher Salome, che ha dietro altri prospetti validi.
Escobar invece è l'unico middle infielder davvero futuribile. con hardy e weeks a 2 anni dalla free agency, non penso possa andare via.
anche io come te penso che si faccia (magari proprio oggi) green (che non ho mai visto) e la porta per CC.
se invece si fa alla deadline (3 partenze in meno per CC), non peso verrà inserito anche green.
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Green mai visto neanche io, ma ce l'ho al fanta e mi sembra un buon prospetto. Oltre alle buone parole spese per lui che ho letto in giro per i meandri della rete, dalle stats sembra dotato di buona potenza (10 HR quest'anno, 14 l'anno scorso) ma soprattutto di un ottimo occhio al piatto (più BB che K). Rimane da vedere la difesa, visto che non si può capire dalle stats.
Comunque Sabathia ai Brewers...io tremo. Ma d'altronde i Cubs non potevano offrire prospetti al livello di quelli dei birrai...
Comunque Sabathia ai Brewers...io tremo. Ma d'altronde i Cubs non potevano offrire prospetti al livello di quelli dei birrai...
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sweeppati i pirates ma adesso fremo per l'arrivo imminente di CC.
portami ai playoff, ciccione mio!
Brewers, Indians agree on Sabathia
By Tom Haudricourt
Sunday, Jul 6 2008, 05:46 PM
I just was told by a reliable club source that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.
But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.
All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.
Look for Sabathia to make his debut for the Brewers Tuesday night at Miller Park against Colorado
portami ai playoff, ciccione mio!
Brewers, Indians agree on Sabathia
By Tom Haudricourt
Sunday, Jul 6 2008, 05:46 PM
I just was told by a reliable club source that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.
But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.
All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.
Look for Sabathia to make his debut for the Brewers Tuesday night at Miller Park against Colorado

