Re: 49ers Faithful - In Gore We Trust

[vestanik]

Sto Goodell mi sta sempre meno simpatico!

[multiple]

Qualche informazione in piu' sulla vicenda:

Il "tamperamento" dopo la fine della stagione non si puo' fare ma sta bene a tutti, prima sembra di no.

This is what 49ers general manager Scot McCloughan had to say:

"The 49ers organization respects Commissioner Goodell's ruling today, however we do disagree with it. This was not a malicious act; we believe that our intent was within the NFL guidelines. Going forward, we will take the necessary steps to ensure we are in compliance with the NFL's interpretation."

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The 49ers were found guilty of tampering during the season, which is probably an important distinction to make. There is probably the feeling around the league that tampering is commonplace once the season is over and free agency is approaching. But apparently Goodell is ruling that tampering during the season, causing a distraction to the player and undermining the player's current team, is crossing the line.

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In the past handful of years, I might have had some knowledge of tampering. One year, a free-agent-to-be told me off the record a couple days before free agency exactly which teams were courting him. Another time, a player said privately, "I know where I'm going but I just can say."

Players make cross-country flights on the first day of free agency every year. They board planes just hours after the official start of the free-agent signing period. Heck, some people pointed to my report within the first 30 minutes of free agency that Justin Smiley had agreed to terms with the Dolphins as proof of tampering. Is that proof? No. Theoretically, the Dolphins could've called the moment free agency opened, offered a big deal that it knew Smiley would not turn down.


Due telefonate senza risposta all'agente di Briggs ci costano una quinta scelta:

From what I can gather, the only solid evidence against the 49ers during the hearing was a phone record of two calls the club placed to agent Drew Rosenhaus, who represents Bears linebacker Lance Briggs.

One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."

When I asked league spokesman Randall Liu for a comment about the evidence against the 49ers, he responded, "The statement is all we are saying regarding this matter."

Goodell stringe la vite anche su questo aspetto e i 49ers servono a dare un messaggio. L'importante e' che la regola valga per tutti.

According to the Washington Post, Goodell recently sent out a memo in which he instructed the members of the competition committee to review all the league's rules, including those that prohibit contact between teams and players under contract to other clubs.

Hey, look, we all know that tampering takes place after the season. But there is no reason for any club to complain because they all do it. Most of the time a player reaches the open market, he is not going to return to his original club, anyway.

[chinasky]

Se c'è la regola, se la si vuol far rispettare, ben venga e allora Goodell fa bene a comportarsi così. Certo, un po' di pugno duro nelle situazioni davvero importanti non guasterebbe, ma siamo ai soliti discorsi. Mi sa che Roger da bambino fosse un po' un bulletto, uno di quelli che rubano le merendine ai ragazzini più piccoli e si nasconde in bagno quando arrivano quelli un po' più duri.

[Angyair]

Tra l'altro......

According to the NFL, the Bears never gave the 49ers permission to speak with Rosenhaus. And, from what I've learned, the 49ers never did speak with Rosenhaus. Just two missed calls. It seems the 49ers are being punished for the intent to speak with Rosenhaus.

During the 2006 season, I remember when Frank Gore switched agents. He hired Rosenhaus. I talked to Scot McCloughan one day and suggested that Rosenhaus' arrival on the scene might be bad news for the 49ers. McCloughan disagreed. He said Rosenhaus is nothing like his public persona. He said he is a good agent with whom to deal. A couple months later, Gore and the 49ers signed a contract extension that appeared to be fair for both sides.

So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client.



Ora spero vivamente che con quella terza scelta i Bears prendano Colt Brennan. :paper:

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Se c'è la regola, se la si vuol far rispettare, ben venga e allora Goodell fa bene a comportarsi così. Certo, un po' di pugno duro nelle situazioni davvero importanti non guasterebbe, ma siamo ai soliti discorsi. Mi sa che Roger da bambino fosse un po' un bulletto, uno di quelli che rubano le merendine ai ragazzini più piccoli e si nasconde in bagno quando arrivano quelli un po' più duri.

D'accordo sul fatto che se la regola c'e' vada fatta rispettare. Spero pero' che faccia qualcosa anche per quello che succede priamdell'inizio della FA (per me puo' anche cambiare la regola, che mi sembra alquanto inutile...) Inoltre, se davvero le uniche prove sono le due telefonate da 20 secondi a Rosenhaus, la punizione mi sembra un po' severa. Certo e' che se i 49ers hanno detto la verita', che probabilmente consiste nel fatto che hanno provatoa  chiamare Rosenhaus per capire su quali cifre poteva attestarsi il contratto per Briggs, non e' che ci fosse bisogno di motle altre prove.

[chinasky]

Tra l'altro......

According to the NFL, the Bears never gave the 49ers permission to speak with Rosenhaus. And, from what I've learned, the 49ers never did speak with Rosenhaus. Just two missed calls. It seems the 49ers are being punished for the intent to speak with Rosenhaus.

During the 2006 season, I remember when Frank Gore switched agents. He hired Rosenhaus. I talked to Scot McCloughan one day and suggested that Rosenhaus' arrival on the scene might be bad news for the 49ers. McCloughan disagreed. He said Rosenhaus is nothing like his public persona. He said he is a good agent with whom to deal. A couple months later, Gore and the 49ers signed a contract extension that appeared to be fair for both sides.

So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client.



Ora spero vivamente che con quella terza scelta i Bears prendano Colt Brennan. :paper:

Che giocherà il Championship Nfc contro di voi, unica gara della sua vita, segnando la meta decisiva su una corsa di 97 yard. 

Tra l'altro: alla terza c'eravamo già, se vogliono Brennan lo prendono comunque, 5 posizioni non spostano troppo la posizione di un QB che secondo me arriva al quarto. 
Secondo: ma le bugie raccontatele meglio no?  :gazza:

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Altri pezzi di articoli

A lot of good that does the 49ers now, as Goodell took the opportunity to make an example of San Francisco for a rather innocuous act that goes on behind the scenes all the time in the NFL. Goodell apparently is sending a message that such team/agent contact during the season - something that is commonplace once the season is over - will not be tolerated during the season.

The irony is the 49ers ultimately had no interest in acquiring Briggs, and now they are paying a high price just for taking an interest in talking about that possibility several months ago.

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One source said the penalty grew out of the pressure on NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for spygate and the need to punish teams for even preceived wrong-doing.

Su quest'ultimo non so bene cosa dire: citare le fonti anonime cosi' a caso lascia il tempo che trova. Mi sembra piu' un'interpretazione soggettiva della cosa che una notizia

[chinasky]

Maiocco che dice?

[chinasky]

One source said the penalty grew out of the pressure on NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for spygate and the need to punish teams for even preceived wrong-doing.

Su quest'ultimo non so bene cosa dire: citare le fonti anonime cosi' a caso lascia il tempo che trova. Mi sembra piu' un'interpretazione soggettiva della cosa che una notizia

Va beh, qui siamo un po' alla stupidata, no?

[Angyair]

Che giocherà il Championship Nfc contro di voi, unica gara della sua vita, segnando la meta decisiva su una corsa di 97 yard. 

Tra l'altro: alla terza c'eravamo già, se vogliono Brennan lo prendono comunque, 5 posizioni non spostano troppo la posizione di un QB che secondo me arriva al quarto. 
Secondo: ma le bugie raccontatele meglio no?  :gazza:

Quello che dovevo dire l'avevo già detto qualche settimana fa', ribadisco che questa mi sembra una colossale cazzata.
Peccato perché mi dispiaceva gufare contro i Bears....:paper:

[Angyair]

Maiocco che dice?

Buona parte di questi commenti sono presi dal blog di Maiocco veramente.... :D

Leggi l'ultimo commento

[chinasky]

Buona parte di questi commenti sono presi dal blog di Maiocco veramente.... :D

Leggi l'ultimo commento

Ma allora andate a pigliare ratti, tutto Maiocco mi mettete? Faziosi.  :gazza:

[chinasky]

Quello che dovevo dire l'avevo già detto qualche settimana fa', ribadisco che questa mi sembra una colossale cazzata.
Peccato perché mi dispiaceva gufare contro i Bears....:paper:

Cazzo c'entrano i Bears?

[multiple]

Va beh, qui siamo un po' alla stupidata, no?

Si, infatti. Era quello che intendevo con il mio commento alla "notizia"

Cazzo c'entrano i Bears?

Sono i Bears che hanno "sporto querela"

Ma allora andate a pigliare ratti, tutto Maiocco mi mettete? Faziosi.  :gazza:

Questo e' un altro Matt, Burrows questa volta

But you have to wonder if Goodell has been too quick to shoot – or if he has shot the right guy -- in this instance. By taking a fifth-rounder from the 49ers and lowering the value of their third rounder, he seems more like the Sheriff of Nottingham – taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The Bears, if you’ll remember, were in the Super Bowl only 13 months ago and – this can’t be stressed enough – WOUND UP RETAINING BRIGGS. I’m not sure I understand where the crime occurred.

Goodell’s decision inevitably will be compared to the one he made regarding Spygate. For that, he took away the New England Patriots’ first-round draft pick (No. 31 overall) this year, a punishment that has little bite considering the Patriots were able to keep the No. 7 overall pick they obtained from – who else? – the 49ers last April. In that case, Goodell had video evidence that the Patriots were stealing their opponent’s defensive signals, something that every coach in the league agrees would give a team a decided advantage. In the 49ers’ case, they are guilty of something that is acknowledged as commonplace in the league, and it’s not clear that Goodell had any rock-solid evidence on which to base his decision.

So why were the 49ers busted? The new sheriff needed to make an example of somebody. Docking the 49ers a fifth-round pick is like pulling a car over on the side of the highway. Once the other drivers see the flashing lights, they slow down to 65. McCloughan, who has been a general manager for all of three months, also makes an easy target. It’s hard to see Goodell slapping the wrist of a more venerated personnel man like, say, Bill Parcells. That’s why the Dolphins won’t suffer the same fate for their suspiciously quick signing of former 49er Justin Smiley last month.

Profootballtalk:
So the 49ers apparently were busted for discussions that weren’t proven on a contract extension that couldn’t happen on a trade that wouldn’t have gone through absent a new contract between the Niners and Briggs.

If this is tampering (and we’re not suggesting that it isn’t), then it’s suddenly become far easier to prove this violation of the rules.  And every team that had one of its own players leave via free agency in the first 72 hours after the market opened should file charges against the team that signed said player.  If there’s a phone record showing that the player’s new team spoke with the player’s agent within a week or two prior to February 29, the Niners won’t be the only team that doesn’t have a fifth round pick.

Heck, in the end, there might not even be a fifth round.

[Angyair]

Cazzo c'entrano i Bears?

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