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Un articolo un po' strambo che vuole dimostrare come Austin sia il miglior WR della lega... Mi sembra un attimo eccessivo...  :gazza:

Miles Austin has seized the WR crown da ESPN.com Insider (KC Joyner)

One of the methods that former college football coach Bear Bryant used to settle positional battles early in his coaching career was the "challenge system." This allowed any player to call for a one-on-one battle with a starter. The two would go head-to-head in a variety of areas (blocking, tackling, receiving, etc.) to see who was the best at executing the key responsibilities of the position. The winner would claim the prize as starter.

If such a system existed in the world of statistical analysis, there would be many potential challengers to Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson for the title of best wide receiver in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Reggie Wayne all would serve as worthy foes for Johnson, but surprisingly enough, none of them would rank as the No. 1 contender.

The real competition for Johnson as the NFL's premier wideout comes from within the state in which he plays pro football. Many might not consider Miles Austin to be an elite wideout yet, but he actually had a better set of metrics than any of the three other aforementioned contenders this past season.

So did he do enough last season to beat the perceived champion for the belt?
Andre Johnson
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#80 WR
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2009 STATS

    * Rec101
    * Yds1569
    * TD9
    * Avg15.5
    * Long72
    * YAC532

To find out, let's do it like Bryant's players and run a 10-stage challenge. We'll compare both Austin's and Johnson's yards per attempt (YPA) metrics in 10 main receiving categories. At the end, whoever has the most victories will win the honor of best wide receiver in the NFL.

A full chart follows the breakdown by category.

Short passes (thrown downfield 10 yards or fewer)
Austin's 9.4 YPA topped Johnson's 6.0 mark by more than a 50 percent margin. That is enough to give him a win, but it is also worth noting that Austin didn't just beat Johnson in this metric but also led the entire league in this category.
Challenge status: Austin 1, Johnson 0

Medium passes (11-19 yards downfield)
OK, so Austin wins on dinks and dunks, but can he beat Johnson on the deep out, deep in and comeback routes that make up the bulk of the medium-depth patterns? Not exactly, but he didn't lose to him, either. Austin and Johnson both gained 12.1 YPA on medium routes last season.
Challenge status: Austin 1, Johnson 0, 1 tie

Deep passes (20-29 yards downfield)
For most receivers, the deeper the pass, the more likely it is they would lose to Johnson, but Austin won this category as well. His 20.3 mark ranked ninth in the league and nearly doubled Johnson's 10.9 YPA.
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 0, 1 tie

Bomb-length passes (30 or more yards downfield)
Go patterns are the kings of this route depth, and this is where Johnson starts to make his stand. His 26.1 YPA ranked seventh in the league overall and second among wideouts with 10 or more bomb attempts. It also nearly doubled Austin's 13.8 YPA mark.
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 1, 1 tie

Vertical (all medium, deep and bomb passes)
Johnson's lead in the bomb-pass category helped vault him over Austin in this all-encompassing category, but not by much. Johnson posted a 14.5 YPA mark, ranking 10th in the league, while Austin checked in with a 13.7 YPA total (which ranked 15th).
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Overall YPA (all route depths)
Johnson's bomb-pass prowess helped him close enough ground to win the vertical category, but it wasn't enough to overcome Austin here. Austin's 11.2 overall YPA mark ranked fourth and was more than a yard ahead of Johnson's 9.9 YPA total.
Challenge status: Austin 3, Johnson 2, 1 tie
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#19 WR
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2009 STATS

    * Rec81
    * Yds1320
    * TD11
    * Avg16.3
    * Long60
    * YAC588

In the portion of this challenge based on depth of the pass route, Austin is the winner -- but distance alone is not the only indicator of how good a receiver is. Another way to measure receiving excellence is to see how well each wideout did when facing varying levels of competition.

I went through the breakdown charts I did for every game from the 2009 season and pulled out the plays on which a receiver faced a cornerback. I then assigned color-coded grades to the cornerbacks based on their 2009 YPA totals (which can be found in the KC Joyner Metricmania section in the 2010 ESPN The Magazine fantasy football preview).

Against cornerbacks who yield YPAs of 7 yards or fewer on average (red-rated CBs)
Austin was hardly fazed by elite competition, as he posted 12.0 YPA against them. Johnson's 8.0 YPA in this category ranked 18th in the league but didn't keep up with Austin's total.
Challenge status: Austin 4, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs who yield 7-9 YPA on average (yellow-rated CBs)
Austin put up 9.8 YPA here versus Johnson's 6.9. Another win for Austin.
Challenge status: Austin 5, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs who yield 9 or more YPA on average (green-rated CBs)
Johnson was very good at dominating overmatched cornerbacks, something shown by his 14.6 YPA. He wasn't as good as Austin and his 17.7 YPA, however.
Challenge status: Austin 6, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs in general
With wins in all three color-coded cornerback categories, it is obvious Austin won this part of the challenge as well (13.4 YPA versus Johnson's 9.9 mark), but just as was the case on short passes, it is worth noting that Austin ranked No. 1 in the league in this metric.

It also means he won the competition by a score of 7-2-1.

Here's the full breakdown, minus the category of "vertical" from above and organized by YPA.

The Texas battle

Here's a full breakdown of Andre Johnson versus Miles Austin in several key metric categories, as graded by YPA (yards per attempt). The colors associated with cornerbacks are explained within the article above and within the 2010 ESPN The Magazine fantasy football preview.
Name Short Routes Medium Routes Deep Routes Bomb Routes Overall Routes Vs. Red CBs Vs. Yellow CBs Vs. Green CBs Vs. CBs overall
Miles Austin 9.4 12.1 20.3 13.8 11.2 12.0 9.8 17.7 13.4
Andre Johnson 6.0 12.1 10.9 26.1 9.9 8.0 6.9 14.6 9.9

Some might say these categories don't tell the whole story, but Austin also beat Johnson in yards per reception (16.3 to 15.5), touchdown receptions (11 to 9) and success percentage (69.4 percent to 64.6 percent).

Simply put, as great as Johnson is, in 2009 he not only wasn't the best wide receiver in the NFL, but wasn't even the best wide receiver in Texas. That honor belonged to Austin.
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Angyair wrote: Dezire inside
Che Bennett non fosse a piombo lo sapevamo già, certo se deve fare ste robe  :lol2: meglio che si maschera da bin laden...
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azazel wrote: Che Bennett non fosse a piombo lo sapevamo già, certo se deve fare ste robe  :lol2: meglio che si maschera da bin laden...
Aneddoto:
Nella puntata finite le final four di Delta House, prima di registrare si parlava di qeuste stupidaggini fatte dai giocatori, e saltò fuori Brawl che su skype passò la foto a me e a Davide di Oden nudo che faceva la stessa cosa. Da quel momento, ogni riferimento dava adito a risate incontrollate. Davide, sul tiro di Heyward uscito di pochissimo "eh, il football è uno sport di centimetri, ma anche il basket", io "come abbiamo visto con Oden".. e giù di risate. Insomma, per registrare 3/4 d'ora, c'avremmo messo 2 ore buone.

Detto questo, non capisco perchè facciano queste cose. Tanto poi la morosa ti ha già visto nudo, che senso ha mandarle una foto che poi potrebbe diffondere quando vi lascerete?! Che stupidi..
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Alvin wrote: Aneddoto:
Nella puntata finite le final four di Delta House, prima di registrare si parlava di qeuste stupidaggini fatte dai giocatori, e saltò fuori Brawl che su skype passò la foto a me e a Davide di Oden nudo che faceva la stessa cosa. Da quel momento, ogni riferimento dava adito a risate incontrollate. Davide, sul tiro di Heyward uscito di pochissimo "eh, il football è uno sport di centimetri, ma anche il basket", io "come abbiamo visto con Oden".. e giù di risate. Insomma, per registrare 3/4 d'ora, c'avremmo messo 2 ore buone.
Oden centimetri? O forse decimetri? :D

Alvin wrote: Detto questo, non capisco perchè facciano queste cose. Tanto poi la morosa ti ha già visto nudo, che senso ha mandarle una foto che poi potrebbe diffondere quando vi lascerete?! Che stupidi..
Ci faremo la stessa domanda quando si troveranno su internet le tue foto nudo!  :forza:
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Angyair wrote: Oden centimetri? O forse decimetri? :D
Era iper pesante il file prima ancora di aprirlo, fai te :D
Angyair wrote: Ci faremo la stessa domanda quando si troveranno su internet le tue foto nudo!  :forza:
No, non credo che Marisa Miller sia il tipo da farmi scherzi del genere solo perchè l'ho mollata..
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Alvin wrote: No, non credo che Marisa Laurito sia il tipo da farmi scherzi del genere solo perchè l'ho mollata..
Hai capito Alvin....ti piacciono stagionate?  :naughty:
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Alvin non farti tirar dentro in queste bassezze (e poi i volgari eravamo noi.... :disgusto: ).
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primi infortunati dal TC:
Felix ginocchio che si è gonfiato e messo a riposo precauzionalmente
...insieme a S. Lee
Felix Jones will miss 2 practice with some knee swelling and Sean Lee is out for a few more practices.

infortuni minori per Hatcher:
DE Jason Hatcher (hyperextended elbow) & LB Sean Lee (strained quad) out a couple of days

altri:
M. Bennett, L. Washington, Owusu-Ansah are out
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Angyair wrote: Hai capito Alvin....ti piacciono stagionate?  :naughty:
Ho capito, può piacere o non piacere, ma se vogliamo buttare a mare tutta questa grazia di dio
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larry33 wrote: primi infortunati dal TC:
Felix ginocchio che si è gonfiato e messo a riposo precauzionalmente
...insieme a S. Lee
Felix Jones will miss 2 practice with some knee swelling and Sean Lee is out for a few more practices.

infortuni minori per Hatcher:
DE Jason Hatcher (hyperextended elbow) & LB Sean Lee (strained quad) out a couple of days

altri:
M. Bennett, L. Washington, Owusu-Ansah are out

Ecco, gli infortuni. L'incubo di questo periodo, in cui ogni sera si va a dormire guardando il bollettino.
Tra tutti mi preoccupa Lee, perchè anche se è un problema da niente, ho una paura fottuta che sia un giocatore fragile, e mi dispiace per AOA perchè, come avevo già detto, dovremo farlo lavorare tanto per adattarlo alla NFL, giusto per non sprecare le doti fisiche pazzesche che ha.

Come detto sul topic dell'off season, aspetto con ansia la pre season. So che a molti non interessa, però credo che poche volte come quest'anno sia interessante per noi. Abbiamo tantissimi punti interrogativi:
- ovviamente i rookie, Lee e Bryant su tutti. Su Bryant, complice il discorso del portare il pad di Williams e le provocazioni di angy, si è creato un hype clamoroso.
- vedere Hamlin, Ball e che cos'altro ha da offrire il nostro reparto S.
- Vedere parecchie azioni di Butler su cui vorrei farmi un'idea più precisa.
- i rookie dell'anno scorso Jason Williams e Robert Brewster che l'anno scorso causa infortuni non li abbiamo potuti vedere e sono ancora oggetti misteriosi.
- Ogletree, se stupirà come l'anno scorso e quindi scoprire se avrà qualche margine per essere di aiuto.
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Ci sarebbero un paio di articoli e dichiarazioni in giro per la rete che sgonfiano sta bolla dei pads, ma non conviene postarli 1-perchè ho già detto che non ne parlo più del giocatore sino a metà settembre 2-perchè è ingiusto rovinare il passatempo di angy&co.

Sti acciacchi di inizio TC comunque non mi preoccupano più di tanto. Pure io sono molto curioso di quello che si vedrà nella posizione di safety, anche se le aspettative sono molto basse. Non vorrei invece che il traffico che abbiamo nel reparto dei WRs rallenti la crescita di Ogletree. A proposito di ricevitori: Crayton sta allenandosi anche saltuariamente da holder, ruolo che ha ricoperto parzialmente anche al college (dove faceva il QB) e nelle stagione di Parcells, holder che comunque resta McBriar (dopo che l' anno scorso, per cercare di recuperare le prestazioni infauste di Folk avevamo ri-proposto anche Romo).
Brewster e Barron, ho letto, stanno facendo delle buone prestazioni in questi primi giorni a San Antonio.
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Presidente, io ci verrei pure con lei, ma a me garba il cazzo![cit. anonimo Separatista]
Soffiate che è aperto ! [cit. Il Presidente]
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G-m@n wrote: Infortunio per la prima scelta Dez Bryant.  :gazza:
Giusto così.
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Fuori 4-6 settimane, un bel problema per un rookie.

Jerry Jones ha fatto sapere il suo disappunto, sostiene che Bryant abbia sovraccaricato eccessivamente le dosi di lavoro.
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Molto bene. E' un primo segno che è il nostro anno :gazza:
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