Re: NBA Finals: Los Angeles Lakers vs Orlando Magic

Fazz · Post by **Fazz** » 04/06/2009, 0:14

Lakers 4-1.

I Magic vinceranno la prima partita di finale della loro storia e l'obiettivo è quello, ancora una volta la pressione è sugli altri, noi non dovremmo neanche esserci, con Garnett non saremmo mai arrivati qui (come dite? al momento dell'infortunio di Jameer avevamo il miglior record della lega? Dettagli, i Magic avrebbero perso dai Celtics anche senza incontrarli), insomma, abbiamo solo da guadagnarci :gazza:

N3lLo · Post by **N3lLo** » 04/06/2009, 0:23

Invece di dire cazzate pensa al meeting in quel di MonSa...

doc G · Post by **doc G** » 04/06/2009, 0:26

Ma Orlando spacciata in partenza l'ha detto solo Ciombe, giusto per fare il figo e spiegarci che con era così! :lol2: :lol2:
In realtà non mi pare di aver letto alcun commento in tal senso, e se qualcuno l'ha scritto a mio parere ha scritto una vaccata.
Non siamo certo al livello di Lebron, Boobie Gibson e quattro scappati di casa contro gli Spurs di un paio di anni fa.
I Magic hanno eliminato le due favorite, Celtics e Cavaliers, ai Celtics mancava Garnett e Powe ma non è mai semplice batterli, ed ai Magic comunque mancava Nelson, che non sarà importante quanto i due di Boston ma una sua importanza ce l'ha. Ai Cavs non c'erano assenze decisive. Semmai mancanze, nel senso che sono mancati loro in alcuni aspetti del gioco, sono mancati i nervi saldi ai tiratori, i lunghi sono stati sopraffatti, la difesa non è stata impeccabile come in regoular season, ma questo non è certo una colpa, semmai un merito dei Magic, che come minimo sono stati concausa di queste mancanze.
Una squadra vera, che può perdere, certo, ma ha tutte le carte in regola per essere in finale.

Fazz wrote: Lakers 4-1.
I Magic vinceranno la prima partita di finale della loro storia e l'obiettivo è quello, ancora una volta la pressione è sugli altri, noi non dovremmo neanche esserci, con Garnett non saremmo mai arrivati qui (come dite? al momento dell'infortunio di Jameer avevamo il miglior record della lega? Dettagli, i Magic avrebbero perso dai Celtics anche senza incontrarli), insomma, abbiamo solo da guadagnarci :gazza:

No, Fazz, io penso proprio ad un 4 - 0 Magic, con il primo titolo vinto in scioltezza! :lol2: :lol2:

A questo pronostico non ci crederesti nemmeno dopo una serata con A.F.D.U.I. e Dazed!

N3lLo wrote: Invece di dire cazzate pensa al meeting in quel di MonSa...

Ecco, appunto.

Winnfield · Post by **Winnfield** » 04/06/2009, 0:31

Secondo si sta commettendo, per l'ennesima volta in questi PO, l'errore di sottovalutare i Magic. I Lakers sono forti, hanno con tutta probabilità più fame e hanno per certo più esperienza, ma DH12 e Co. mi paiono più "in ritmo" se mi passate il termine e soprattutto giocheranno ancora una volta con la mente sgombra. La pressione di queste finals ce l'hanno per la maggior parte i gialloviola perché non possono permettersi un'altra sconfitta ora che sono quasi arrivati, vorrebbe dire mettere ancora più pressione sulle loro spalle e qualche dubbio in più all'interno dello spogliatoio.
È tutta una questione mentale. Se Kobe e soci sono concentrati come in gara 6 contro Denver allora vincono loro, se assisteremo a giri a vuoto come nella serie contro Houston beh, la pagheranno cara questa volta.

Eniuei, dico Lakers 4-3.

shaquille · Post by **shaquille** » 04/06/2009, 8:25

Alla vigilia delle Finals 2004 che vedevano i Lakers con il vantaggio del fattore campo contro i Pistons chi era favorito secondo i pronostici?

:gazza: :gazza:

sonnechiosissimo · Post by **sonnechiosissimo** » 04/06/2009, 8:49

è dura durissima fare un pronostico. da una parte il cuore dall'altra la testa. Ovvero direi lakers per ragioni di tifo, ma se ben guardo questi magic sono in una condizione psicofisica pazzesca e questo mi fa molto paura. Se i Lakers vogliono portare a casa la serie devo giocare tutte le partite ocn massim aconcentrazione ed impegno evitando l asconfitta nelle prime due gare che galvanizzerebbe ancora di più DH12 e compagni. Vado con il cuore e di Lakers 4-3

predu17 · Post by **predu17** » 04/06/2009, 10:14

Stanotte ho sognato gara 4, quarantello di Kobe e serie chiusa sul 4-0 per i Lakers, con Doc G, N3llo, Kobe84, Clutch e MagicKobe che sventolavano asciugamani in panca

mackzone · Post by **mackzone** » 04/06/2009, 11:34

Kobe: 'I've been waiting for this moment'

This was a different Kobe. Not the jubilant kid with the afro who made his first NBA Finals appearance in 2000 or the one clashing with his coach, teammates and the district attorney's office of Eagle, Colo., in 2004 or the one basking in the adulation of an MVP award before the start of last year's Finals.

This was Kobe Bryant as I've never seen him before, so intense that he almost came off as subdued, the flames gone, leaving the glowing white briquettes.

It was about as uncrowded as his life outside his house will get this week, his immediate vicinity occupied by a couple of reporters, two members of his security team and his publicist. He stopped before he stepped into a nondescript van to head to an appointment. I had a couple of questions for him, but I was more curious about the vibe than the words.

Although he says, "I can play at a high level for another six years at least," I get the sense he's aware that this could be it, that there's no guarantee he'll arrive at such an opportune place again. He's in the Finals with home-court advantage over the Orlando Magic. He has a team that was two victories short of the championship last year intact. He's 30, old enough to know what he's doing, young enough to still be able to do it.

If he seems fatigued in these playoffs, just imagine next year, when he'll be coming off his second straight season in which he played until the last game in June. Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza both could be gone as free agents. Kobe could choose to go elsewhere as well if he opts out of his contract this summer. And one of those up-and-coming teams out there could elevate-and-arrive. Kobe could wind up "stuck" at three championship rings. That's the triumphant hallmark of a career for most players, more rings than Wilt or Moses or Doc or Jerry West or 32 other members of the NBA's 50 greatest players list from its golden anniversary in 1996. But in Kobe's case, three would seem short. It would mark promise unfulfilled. He could wind up mocked by a backhanded compliment, "best player never to win a Finals MVP award."

He'd need to get to six to stand on the same platform as Michael Jordan. Even four would say a lot, give him at least one to call his own, pull him even with teammate-turned-rival Shaquille O'Neal, keep Shaq from calling him out in any more raps.

Those are the stakes. This is the chance.

"For me, it's always been about 'this moment,'" Bryant says.

There's something else he has to realize. That even as much as these Finals are about him and his quest, so much of his fate is out of his hands. LeBron James did everything but operate the shot clock. He put up Wall Street bailout-big numbers against Orlando, averaged 38, 8 and 8, made a game-winning 3 with a second left and sank two free throws to force OT with 0.5 left -- and it still wasn't enough to compensate for teammates who shrank in the moment and a coaching staff that couldn't solve Orlando.

[+] EnlargeKobe Bryant and Pau Gasol
Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty ImagesKobe no longer tries to do everything on his own.

The Lakers didn't prove to be better than Denver until Odom and Ariza -- with cameos by Shannon Brown and Luke Walton for good measure -- showed they could play at home and on the road. And it took Bryant's recalibration to stop trying it all on his own. His and the Lakers' two best games (the two last games) came when he took his fewest field goal attempts of the series: 13 in Game 5 and 20 in Game 6.

"It's about how well we perform as a unit," Bryant says. "Our situation is different. Cleveland's offense, in a lot of ways, is like New Orleans'. LeBron is like a 6-10 Chris Paul. Our offense is an equal-opportunity offense. Everybody's touching [the ball], everybody's moving."

His words indicate a belief in the offense, something he didn't always hold. He's less rebellious now, not trying to do everything his own way and operate outside the lines, not the same player who once prompted a teammate to ask, "Doesn't he realize if he gives us the ball we'll give it back to him?"

Now Kobe envisions himself as a quarterback, scanning the defense and looking for the vulnerability he can exploit with the pass, aware of how the others can create scoring opportunities for him rather than his trying to do it alone against double- and triple-teams.

It's a story of progress, even if it isn't necessarily heartwarming. We tend to root for people who fall, not those who leap. Bryant yearned to separate himself from Shaq, the player so many in the league dreamed of playing with, in order to ascend the mountain by himself. Three the easy way was boring to him. It didn't validate what he did. He was the type who didn't want to walk across the street, he wanted to race you to the other side.

"Isn't competition great?" he once beamed after he had won a playful shooting challenge against a ball boy and forced the youngster to run some punitive suicides. "It makes everything better."

So maybe we should think of him as an entrepreneur who starts a business, sells it off and moves on to a new company. Only Bryant, much like Paul Allen post-Microsoft, has yet to find the same level of success.

We ought to count this as his third attempt to win a Finals series without Shaq because he did his best to nullify the big man in the 2004 Finals, taking 113 shots to Shaq's 84 while the Lakers crashed out in five games to the Pistons. In 2008, the Celtics never let Kobe or any of his teammates assert themselves. He was powerless.

Now he realizes he is only as strong as those who stand with him. If he wins, you don't have to consider it a victory for him, think of it as basketball restoring respect for the game. Even MJ had to play by the rules, giving John Paxson and Steve Kerr a chance to hit championship-winning shots before Jordan got his turn. For Bryant to win, he will have to play the game as Phil Jackson and Tex Winter envision it, with the ball moving around the triple-post offense, teammates working to create the best possible shot.

He has never looked so willing. Doug Collins likes to measure scorers' efficiency by dividing points by field goal attempts. A ratio of 1 point per shot is a victory for the defense. A ratio of 1.4 and above is a good night for the shooter. In Bryant's last two games against Denver he was at 1.69 and 1.75. Now it makes sense that the phrase he kept repeating was, "Just ready to go."

"I've been waiting for this moment for a while now," Bryant says. "Our opponent has played us extremely well. It's a contrast from teams that we've been playing the first three rounds. And we just have to be ready.

"It's a great opportunity. Last year was a great opportunity to get it done too, and we just weren't tough enough to get it done. I think this year we're a tough team, as we proved the first three rounds. This round's going to be about execution, defensive execution. Offensively, we can score with the best of them."

There's more to the game than just scoring points, lots of points. That was Kobe's M.O. three years ago. Now, he comprehends that less is more, even in the run-up to the Finals. Less talking, less emotion.

More ready.

mi sa che per i magic sarà dura, kobe sembra appena appena determinato

EmViPi · Post by **EmViPi** » 04/06/2009, 12:40

Fazz wrote: Lakers 4-1.

I Magic vinceranno la prima partita di finale della loro storia e l'obiettivo è quello, ancora una volta la pressione è sugli altri, noi non dovremmo neanche esserci, con Garnett non saremmo mai arrivati qui (come dite? al momento dell'infortunio di Jameer avevamo il miglior record della lega? Dettagli, i Magic avrebbero perso dai Celtics anche senza incontrarli), insomma, abbiamo solo da guadagnarci :gazza:

Mi sa tanto di post scaramantico Fazz :D

Obbiettivamente è una serie combatuttissima, i Lakers non riusciranno a portare a casa la serie così facilmente.

Luca10 · Post by **Luca10** » 04/06/2009, 12:48

4-0 Magic.

Non c'è storia. Alston ed un redivivo Nelson abuseranno di Fisher, Pietrus scherzerà Kobe annullandolo, il Turko dominerà Ariza, Lewis farà a polpette Odom e DH sarà assolutamente incontenibile per Gasol ed il bambinone.

bball · Post by **bball** » 04/06/2009, 12:52

si vabbè, io dico allora 4-4 = X

MagicKobe · Post by **MagicKobe** » 04/06/2009, 12:57

predu17 wrote: Stanotte ho sognato gara 4, quarantello di Kobe e serie chiusa sul 4-0 per i Lakers, con Doc G, N3llo, Kobe84, Clutch e MagicKobe che sventolavano asciugamani in panca

cazzone... torna a gufare gli interisti e pensa alle tue panchine!
E' sicuro, ho anche scommesso, che vince orlando, 4 a 0 e tutti a casa, kobe è ormai logorato dai primi turni,gasol pesa 20kg in meno di DH etc etc.
E poi questo è l'anno di gianluca dh-12!ha vinto tutto, vincerà anche il titolo NBA!

sphincs · Post by **sphincs** » 04/06/2009, 13:23

ragazzi e l'esperienza che hanno i Lakers nel giocare queste partite dove la mettete? sarà fondamentale! e poi Kobe ha detto che quest'anno la notte non riusciva a dormire tanto era ed è ossessionato da questo titolo...vuole assolutamente vincere il primo anello senza Shaq! se non esplode io dico che kobe manda tutti a casa in 5-6 partite

jayone · Post by **jayone** » 04/06/2009, 13:48

sale la tensione, ho le patatine già nel forno oltre al mio solito termos di caffè!
non vedo l'ora di sentire Buffa e Tranquillo al commento!

EmViPi · Post by **EmViPi** » 04/06/2009, 14:10

Cercasi consigli su come perdere le 3 ore che vanno da mezzanotte alla partita! Oltre ad ingozzarmi di caffè...

Qualcuno sa se il duo Tranquillo-Buffa farà la telecronaca live stanotte?

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