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Doesn't matter, I'll probably get hit by a car anyways.
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In Spagna queste cose non succedono, sai? :gazza:assioma 2 wrote: M'immagino che invece tutti noi faremmo vita monacale se avessimo a disposizione quelle cifre... 'sti giocatori corrotti.
Davide e' il miglior WR mai apparso su un campo da flag football separatista (cit. Multiple):ciucco: + :pandu: + :rastapimp: + :censored: =
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La Spagna è meglio, ci hanno sorpassato in tutto :gazza:Davidyd wrote: In Spagna queste cose non succedono, sai? :gazza:
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Capisco anche io che una persona si paragoni al proprio mestiere e che, di conseguenza, veda lo stipendio degli altri e decida come muoversi, ma nel caso Briggs ci sono alcune cose da considerare.assioma 2 wrote: ...
1 - Da due anni è sulla cresta dell'onda, gli sponsor personali gli hanno riempito le tasche oltre quello guadagnato da Chicago, l'accesso al Super Bowl avrà comportanto altri aumenti.
2 - Se vuoi essere la prima donna, il "the Kobe" da qualche parte dillo, incontra Angelo e discutine con lui. Come ha detto Mullini, giornalista del Tribune in riferimento alla vicenda, "fare buoni affari non significa solo fare soldi". Jones aveva un problema, ha discusso a quattr'occhi con Angelo e si è trovata una soluzione che più o meno non scontentasse nessuno dei due dal momento che, la seprazione, era inevitabile.
3 - Briggs cambia opinione troppo spesso, a volte sono i soldi, a volte il ruolo nello spogliatoio, a volte tutte e due le cose. Questo dimostra che o è uno scemo o è Rosenhaus che gli scrive il copione. Dal tag in avanti, ma anche da poche settimane prima, ha rifiutato l'incontro con la società, ha parlato solo via radio e televisione e, il tutto, dopo aver rifiutato un contratto di sei anni (ah, perchè ogni tanto reclama il fatto di voler un contratto duraturo, forse vuole firmare per 15 anni, chissà...) che "qualcosina" gli avrebbe garantito.
Briggs vuole molti più soldi e, per questi, rifiuta di giocare in una formazione dal buon potenziale e di accettare la rivincita più grande, ossia quella di riprovare a vincere: per questo dovremmo dargli ragione? I soldi c'erano, li ha rifiutati e si disperde nell'ipocrisia addossando colpe alla società. Dice di essere CEO di se stesso; perfetto, si diriga da solo allora. Di fatto è lui che rifiuta i soldi, il contratto prima il tag ora, per cui non mi si dica che il regolamento lo penalizza in questo caso.
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Questo, sinceramente, lo ignoravo. E cambia abbastanza le carte in tavola, perché io avevo capito che le trattative per un contratto non c'erano mai, concretamente, state. Dato che non penso gli sia stato offerto il minimo sindacale....di quello che vuoi veramente.chinasky wrote: dopo aver rifiutato un contratto di sei anni (ah, perchè ogni tanto reclama il fatto di voler un contratto duraturo, forse vuole firmare per 15 anni, chissà...) che "qualcosina" gli avrebbe garantito.
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33 milioni per 7, le cifre riportate son queste, non e' un contratto, e' una presa in giro per il valore di mercato di Briggs, intorno al doppio o quasiAngyair wrote: Questo, sinceramente, lo ignoravo. E cambia abbastanza le carte in tavola, perché io avevo capito che le trattative per un contratto non c'erano mai, concretamente, state. Dato che non penso gli sia stato offerto il minimo sindacale....di quello che vuoi veramente.
Se questa e' realmente l'offerta che gli han fatto i Bears ha fatto benissimo a mandarli a cacare.
Continuare a dire che i Bears l'offerta l'hanno fatta e' pure ipocrisia, e' come se i Chargers proponessero un rinnovo a Tomlinson per le stesse cifre che ha preso Rhodes e si lamentassero per il non accordo
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Questa è l'ultima, la prima non so quale fosse, e poi non sei sempre tu che dice che conta il garantito? Il garantito non sappiamo quanto fosse perchè se è sui 10 è 3 sotto a quello di Urlacher quindi in piena logica per i giocatori che hai a roster. Inoltre Briggs, smettiamola di girarci intorno, vuole una cifra che a Chicago per problemi di salary non possono dargli. Quando lui rifiutò a marzo 2006 la prima offerta sapeva che i Bears avrebbero firmato altri giocatori e che, inevitabilmente, l'offerta per lui non sarebbe mai potuta crescere e quando si sono pescati Williams al draft sapeva che lo facevano per pararsi il culo. Sapeva anche del tag ma, nonostante tutto, non ha mai voluto incontrare Angelo perchè, di fatto, se ne è sempre voluto andare. Lui fa bene a mandare a cagare Angelo il quale, a sua volta, fa benissimo a farlo marcire in holdout.jyk wrote: 33 milioni per 7, le cifre riportate son queste, non e' un contratto, e' una presa in giro per il valore di mercato di Briggs, intorno al doppio o quasi
Se questa e' realmente l'offerta che gli han fatto i Bears ha fatto benissimo a mandarli a cacare.
Continuare a dire che i Bears l'offerta l'hanno fatta e' pure ipocrisia, e' come se i Chargers proponessero un rinnovo a Tomlinson per le stesse cifre che ha preso Rhodes e si lamentassero per il non accordo
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Ricordiamo, per dovere di cronaca e perchè sono pignolo, che i Bears affermano che la proposta fosse di sei anni, mentre Briggs dice di sette. :gazza:
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Questo quello che pensa Mike Mulligan del Sun-Times.
Picking up a media blitz
As a public-relations man, Lance Briggs is one heck of a linebacker. Listening to him sledgehammer his case against the evil Bears and their sinister use of the franchise tag, you almost feel sorry for him.
First, Briggs had to make his complaints not once but three times in the last two weeks because the Thomas Jones trade that went down on the same day robbed him of any impact the first time.
Second, he somehow has managed to portray himself as poster boy of the greedy, selfish, mercenary modern athlete whose stomach turns at an utterly indigestible one-year, multimillion-dollar figure that most of his fans never will see in a lifetime. One suspects it's fame as much as money that drives his desire to leave Chicago and the long shadow cast by friend and teammate Brian Urlacher.
Third, the carnival continued Tuesday when he pleaded his case during an eight-minute interview on ''SportsCenter.''
He needs some help
What is missing here? Briggs ought to hire someone to manage his message, clarify his argument, maybe limit the damage a bit by taking some of the heat. The guy needs a representative of some kind. An agent, if you will.
Where is Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, in all of this?
Next question.
Not that Rosenhaus is a master of PR, given his front-lawn chat with the media during the Terrell Owens debacle in Philadelphia. But surely he sees the illogic to Briggs' threat that he's prepared to sit out the season rather than play for the Bears.
Here's a tip to anyone eager to play contract kamikaze: Don't claim you will take out loans in lieu of making 10 times more than you've ever made. And don't expect fans to feel sorry for you that the home team is going to give you only $7.2 million for one season. Briggs needs an adviser to remind him of an important rule of negotiating: Never push a losing argument to the end.
In going to the national media with his complaints against the Bears, Briggs is effectively following the lead of coach Lovie Smith, whose agent, Frank Bauer, did the same thing to speed the completion of Smith's deal. Smith, at least, had the good sense to maintain a dignified distance and let his agent do the dirty work. But it's a bold tactic that no doubt will be repeated if it works for Briggs after working for Smith.
It's unlucky for Briggs that the Bears have chosen to use the franchise tag for the first time in their history. The same increase in salary-cap space that has blessed mediocre talent with untold riches allows the Bears to keep Briggs off the open market.
Not a position of strength
The franchise tag was created more than a dozen years ago to allow teams to keep a once-in-a-lifetime talent under the free-agent system. Have the Bears abused the system by putting the tag on Briggs? That seems to be his argument when he says, correctly, that they are using it to keep him for one season, rather than signing him to a long-term deal. Maybe it is dirty pool, but it's perfectly within the rules, and every team operates the same way.
The Bears have all the leverage here. The bizarre notion that Briggs would decline to sign the tender on the franchise tag and sit out a season simply extends the clock on his availability for the franchise tag. New rules limit the use of the franchise tag on the same player to two seasons at the average of the top five salaries at his position. A team could extend it for a third year at an average of the top five salaries in the league. That's quarterback money.
If Briggs doesn't sign the tender offer this year and sits out, the Bears could tender him in 2008 and 2009 for the average of the top five linebacker salaries.
Can Briggs play hardball and force a trade? Here's where the Bears have to be careful. They appeared to give in to another Rosenhaus client when they moved Jones to the New York Jets, even if that was done to clear the way for Cedric Benson. They also still have to worry about signing Rosenhaus client Tommie Harris to a contract extension.
There are bound to be other players in the locker room who want raises after a successful season and big-money deals signed by lesser talent in the free-agent market. The entire offseason has been a weird exercise in the fragility of team chemistry.
Has success ruined the Bears? Imagine how difficult things would be if they actually had won the Super Bowl.
Va detto che il contratto di Harris è fondamentale come, se non di più, di quello di Briggs... e anche lui è sotto Rosenhaus. La chiave del gioco per Briggs potrebbe essere questa. Ah, a proposito, dimenticavo... ieri Briggs ha detto che un ottimo scenario, un lieto fine, sarebbe un lungo contratto ben pagato... a Chicago. Ma va a cagher! :gazza:
Picking up a media blitz
As a public-relations man, Lance Briggs is one heck of a linebacker. Listening to him sledgehammer his case against the evil Bears and their sinister use of the franchise tag, you almost feel sorry for him.
First, Briggs had to make his complaints not once but three times in the last two weeks because the Thomas Jones trade that went down on the same day robbed him of any impact the first time.
Second, he somehow has managed to portray himself as poster boy of the greedy, selfish, mercenary modern athlete whose stomach turns at an utterly indigestible one-year, multimillion-dollar figure that most of his fans never will see in a lifetime. One suspects it's fame as much as money that drives his desire to leave Chicago and the long shadow cast by friend and teammate Brian Urlacher.
Third, the carnival continued Tuesday when he pleaded his case during an eight-minute interview on ''SportsCenter.''
He needs some help
What is missing here? Briggs ought to hire someone to manage his message, clarify his argument, maybe limit the damage a bit by taking some of the heat. The guy needs a representative of some kind. An agent, if you will.
Where is Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, in all of this?
Next question.
Not that Rosenhaus is a master of PR, given his front-lawn chat with the media during the Terrell Owens debacle in Philadelphia. But surely he sees the illogic to Briggs' threat that he's prepared to sit out the season rather than play for the Bears.
Here's a tip to anyone eager to play contract kamikaze: Don't claim you will take out loans in lieu of making 10 times more than you've ever made. And don't expect fans to feel sorry for you that the home team is going to give you only $7.2 million for one season. Briggs needs an adviser to remind him of an important rule of negotiating: Never push a losing argument to the end.
In going to the national media with his complaints against the Bears, Briggs is effectively following the lead of coach Lovie Smith, whose agent, Frank Bauer, did the same thing to speed the completion of Smith's deal. Smith, at least, had the good sense to maintain a dignified distance and let his agent do the dirty work. But it's a bold tactic that no doubt will be repeated if it works for Briggs after working for Smith.
It's unlucky for Briggs that the Bears have chosen to use the franchise tag for the first time in their history. The same increase in salary-cap space that has blessed mediocre talent with untold riches allows the Bears to keep Briggs off the open market.
Not a position of strength
The franchise tag was created more than a dozen years ago to allow teams to keep a once-in-a-lifetime talent under the free-agent system. Have the Bears abused the system by putting the tag on Briggs? That seems to be his argument when he says, correctly, that they are using it to keep him for one season, rather than signing him to a long-term deal. Maybe it is dirty pool, but it's perfectly within the rules, and every team operates the same way.
The Bears have all the leverage here. The bizarre notion that Briggs would decline to sign the tender on the franchise tag and sit out a season simply extends the clock on his availability for the franchise tag. New rules limit the use of the franchise tag on the same player to two seasons at the average of the top five salaries at his position. A team could extend it for a third year at an average of the top five salaries in the league. That's quarterback money.
If Briggs doesn't sign the tender offer this year and sits out, the Bears could tender him in 2008 and 2009 for the average of the top five linebacker salaries.
Can Briggs play hardball and force a trade? Here's where the Bears have to be careful. They appeared to give in to another Rosenhaus client when they moved Jones to the New York Jets, even if that was done to clear the way for Cedric Benson. They also still have to worry about signing Rosenhaus client Tommie Harris to a contract extension.
There are bound to be other players in the locker room who want raises after a successful season and big-money deals signed by lesser talent in the free-agent market. The entire offseason has been a weird exercise in the fragility of team chemistry.
Has success ruined the Bears? Imagine how difficult things would be if they actually had won the Super Bowl.
Va detto che il contratto di Harris è fondamentale come, se non di più, di quello di Briggs... e anche lui è sotto Rosenhaus. La chiave del gioco per Briggs potrebbe essere questa. Ah, a proposito, dimenticavo... ieri Briggs ha detto che un ottimo scenario, un lieto fine, sarebbe un lungo contratto ben pagato... a Chicago. Ma va a cagher! :gazza:
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Rumor
Bears | Archuleta a trade possibility
Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:43:02 -0700
Adam Schefter, of NFL Network, reports the Chicago Bears will target Washington Redskins S Adam Archuleta in a trade.
Bears | Archuleta a trade possibility
Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:43:02 -0700
Adam Schefter, of NFL Network, reports the Chicago Bears will target Washington Redskins S Adam Archuleta in a trade.
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Arrivato.multiple wrote: Rumor
Bears | Archuleta a trade possibility
Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:43:02 -0700
Adam Schefter, of NFL Network, reports the Chicago Bears will target Washington Redskins S Adam Archuleta in a trade.
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Chicago ha firmato fino al 2009 otto assistenti di Lovie Smith... tra questi Ron Turner, quindi le prossime tre stagioni finiscono qui. :sbadat:
Però c'è qualcosa che noi esseri umani non capiamo, vero?
Però c'è qualcosa che noi esseri umani non capiamo, vero?
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cerca nell'archivio di corona, magari ci sono delle foto compromettenti di smith che Turner ha acquistato. il trans di sircana era di colore, no?chinasky wrote: Chicago ha firmato fino al 2009 otto assistenti di Lovie Smith... tra questi Ron Turner, quindi le prossime tre stagioni finiscono qui. :sbadat:
Però c'è qualcosa che noi esseri umani non capiamo, vero?![]()


