era un Dio anche quando per ripicca contro un giornalista che scrisse un articolo dove criticava il fatto che tirava troppo nella partita seguente non fece nemmeno un tiro :lol2:
Altro che Dio qui siamo a livelli infantili... :lol2:
NckRm wrote:
Certo è che tra tutti gli sportivi del mondo, beh, al pari di Bubka e Pelé è uno dei pochi che può permettersi atteggiamenti di questo genere.
quoto ogni singola parola di questo post.
thebigdipper wrote:
Era un dio.
Poteva permetterselo.
Megalomane e ridicolo lo è shaq
anche di questo.
Abbey Road è dolce e universale come il caffè di Starbucks
Ryo San 23 wrote:
era un Dio anche quando per ripicca contro un giornalista che scrisse un articolo dove criticava il fatto che tirava troppo nella partita seguente non fece nemmeno un tiro :lol2:
Altro che Dio qui siamo a livelli infantili... :lol2:
Ma tutti lo sanno che gli dei sono capricciosi :figo:
Ps: poi MJ in quanto ad EGO gli è subito sotto... :gazza:
"The point was not to score, but to win"
"I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream"
Dazed and Confused: "Se rinasco, voglio rinascere Hank."
Hank Luisetti wrote:
Ma tutti lo sanno che gli dei sono capricciosi :figo:
Ps: poi MJ in quanto ad EGO gli è subito sotto... :gazza:
effettivamente..e poi soprattutto,considerando ciò che entrambi hanno dato a questo sport, eviterei di stare troppo a criticare i loro atteggiamenti da superstar(che,come già detto,potevano permettersi),ancor più considerando come gli stessi atteggiamenti ormai li abbia anche uno Stephon Marbury,per fare un esempio lampante,che agli altri due è degno (forse) di pulire le scarpe..e poi definire Wilt "un personaggio ridicolo" mi suona di bestemmia bella e buona,nonchè segno di una certa superficialità nella conoscenza dell'uomo Wilt(con tutti i difetti del caso,ovviamente)..
"Quando vedremo un ragazzino con i capelli arruffati e i calzettoni che gli calano che tira un pallone su un campetto avvolto nella semioscurità o nel cortile di casa quando tutti gli altri sono già andati via, ci ricorderemo di Pete"
Il fatto è semplice. Su Wilt si è scritto e detto molto più di quanto si sia visto giocare. Per questo sembra un personaggio distante, antico e antipatico. Quasi montato dall'alone di leggenda che lo circonda. Basterebbe guardare una sola partita per capire che a distanza di 30 anni avrebbe dominato oggi come allora. Magari con un paio di numeri in meno, ma che in sostanza sapeva e avrebbe saputo abusare di chiunque.
NckRm wrote:
Il fatto è semplice. Su Wilt si è scritto e detto molto più di quanto si sia visto giocare. Per questo sembra un personaggio distante, antico e antipatico. Quasi montato dall'alone di leggenda che lo circonda. Basterebbe guardare una sola partita per capire che a distanza di 30 anni avrebbe dominato oggi come allora. Magari con un paio di numeri in meno, ma che in sostanza sapeva e avrebbe saputo abusare di chiunque.
d'accordissimo.ma rimanere legati all'idea del personaggio antipatico e definirlo addirittura "ridicolo" mi pare quantomeno opinabile come affermazione e non c'è bisogno di essere dei grandi studiosi del gioco e conoscitori di Wilt per sapere che certe affermazioni non hanno cittadinanza in un discorso serio.
"Quando vedremo un ragazzino con i capelli arruffati e i calzettoni che gli calano che tira un pallone su un campetto avvolto nella semioscurità o nel cortile di casa quando tutti gli altri sono già andati via, ci ricorderemo di Pete"
PistooolPeeete wrote:
d'accordissimo.ma rimanere legati all'idea del personaggio antipatico e definirlo addirittura "ridicolo" mi pare quantomeno opinabile come affermazione e non c'è bisogno di essere dei grandi studiosi del gioco e conoscitori di Wilt per sapere che certe affermazioni non hanno cittadinanza in un discorso serio.
no attenzione io non ho detto che era ridicolo come giocatore... mai detto...lì non può essere mosso il minimo appunto, ho solo detto che molte volte faceva dichiarazioni alquanto ridicole (anzi molto concedetemelo) ma forse hanno fatto ancora di più il personaggio
Ryo San 23 wrote:
no attenzione io non ho detto che era ridicolo come giocatore... mai detto...lì non può essere mosso il minimo appunto, ho solo detto che molte volte faceva dichiarazioni alquanto ridicole (anzi molto concedetemelo) ma forse hanno fatto ancora di più il personaggio
io avevo capito che definivi ridicolo Wilt e non il giocatore Wilt,affermazione che sporcava la memoria di un grande giocatore e di un grande uomo..se definisci ridicole solo le sue affermazioni e non lo stesso Wilt..beh,posso essere d'accordo in alcuni casi,ma faceva parte della sua particolarissima e tipica personalità..se invece definisci ridicolo Wilt (come persona) allora non posso che avere un espressione come questa
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"Quando vedremo un ragazzino con i capelli arruffati e i calzettoni che gli calano che tira un pallone su un campetto avvolto nella semioscurità o nel cortile di casa quando tutti gli altri sono già andati via, ci ricorderemo di Pete"
Sam Jones
"I don't know if he knows how good he is. He's tremendous. I've never seen anything like him. He's only 6-6. That's amazing. You seldom see a person that size do those things. He's so creative and to be able to take over a game at that size, it's amazing. Oscar and West were the best, but there's no other version of Jordan, the hang time, how high he jumps, how quick he moves. The guy amazes me. ... He's the best I've ever seen."
Bob Cousy
"He's by far the best since Naismith hung up the basket. He touches every base. He could play three, maybe four positions and maybe even center, too. He has no discernible weakness. The keys to basketball, despite the emphasis on big men, is still speed and quickness. He has them in abundance. When I jumped as high as I could, I got to the bottom of the net. When he jumps as high as he can, he's over the backboard. He's the best, without question."
Larry Bird
"Is he the greatest? He's in the top two."
Dave Bing
"Michael is the most talented player I've ever seen. Wilt was the most dominating, but Michael has the most talent in every aspect of the game, even defense.
"He's the best ever because of his combination of skills, his competitiveness. Russell, Wilt, Kareem dominated because of their size, but they didn't have Michael's skills."
Billy Cunningham
"I think he was the best ever. The whole package. He's scary sometimes with his defense. The passion he had amazes me. At a certain age, it's more difficult to get up for a game. A big game, sure, it's easy. But he did it for every game. How did he do it? To motivate himself at a level to perform. There's no burnout there. It's something within himself. If I had to play him, I'd pray a lot."
Bill Sharman
"Michael Jordan is the greatest all-around basketball performer of all time. ... I don't believe Michael was the greatest shooter or the greatest dribbler or passer or the greatest defensive player, etc. However, I believe he could do all these things better than anyone else who ever played in the NBA."
Nate Thurmond
"He's the greatest that ever touched a basketball, that ever lived, any way you want to put it and without a doubt. I hope I'm alive when there will be an argument of who is another player who comes along who's as good. I hope I'm around to see this guy."
Jerry West
"I have to think he's the greatest player ever. Not because of his ability to score, but because of his total game. To me he's the best offensive player and the best defensive player in the league for a number of years. To be the defensive player of the year with all the other things he had to do, to me, he's a marvel. He has separated himself from the rest of the good players as far as I'm concerned. He's the modern day Babe Ruth."
..ma di frasi del genere ne possiamo trovare anche per gli altri G.O.A.T, ad esempio su Wilt..
K.C. Jones:
"He stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me
off the floor with my feet dangling," Jones said. "It scared the hell
out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still
shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the
game."
oppure Larry Brown od ancora Walt Frazier:
"Anyone who doesn't think Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player ever is crazy."
..insomma anche le loro sono opinioni..
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"The point was not to score, but to win"
"I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream"
Dazed and Confused: "Se rinasco, voglio rinascere Hank."
mi son rivisto l'intervista in cui si parlava del possibile scontro ali-chamberlain, era un pò che non lo facevo. wilt idolo, lo prende per il culo con una classe unica, mentre alì sbraitava come un ossesso
però gli è andata bene che quello scontro non sia mai avvenuto( ufficialmente lo ha voluto lui, 500.000 dollari di cachet riteneva fossero pochi, e per quello si ritirò), alì gli avrebbe fatto fare una figuraccia :D
wilt diede un'altra versione del suo ritiro: When interviewed in later years, Wilt himself offered another explanation for his decision to withdraw from the fight. Chamberlain reminisced: "I remember leaving my place in L.A. and -- my father is a big fight fan -- and I said, `Dad, I got a couple of days off and I'm getting ready to go to Houston to sign to fight Muhammad Ali.'" His father told him he should work on his free throws instead.
Hank Luisetti wrote:
C'è chi reputa MJ il numero 1.. :D
Sam Jones
"I don't know if he knows how good he is. He's tremendous. I've never seen anything like him. He's only 6-6. That's amazing. You seldom see a person that size do those things. He's so creative and to be able to take over a game at that size, it's amazing. Oscar and West were the best, but there's no other version of Jordan, the hang time, how high he jumps, how quick he moves. The guy amazes me. ... He's the best I've ever seen."
Bob Cousy
"He's by far the best since Naismith hung up the basket. He touches every base. He could play three, maybe four positions and maybe even center, too. He has no discernible weakness. The keys to basketball, despite the emphasis on big men, is still speed and quickness. He has them in abundance. When I jumped as high as I could, I got to the bottom of the net. When he jumps as high as he can, he's over the backboard. He's the best, without question."
Larry Bird
"Is he the greatest? He's in the top two."
Dave Bing
"Michael is the most talented player I've ever seen. Wilt was the most dominating, but Michael has the most talent in every aspect of the game, even defense.
"He's the best ever because of his combination of skills, his competitiveness. Russell, Wilt, Kareem dominated because of their size, but they didn't have Michael's skills."
Billy Cunningham
"I think he was the best ever. The whole package. He's scary sometimes with his defense. The passion he had amazes me. At a certain age, it's more difficult to get up for a game. A big game, sure, it's easy. But he did it for every game. How did he do it? To motivate himself at a level to perform. There's no burnout there. It's something within himself. If I had to play him, I'd pray a lot."
Bill Sharman
"Michael Jordan is the greatest all-around basketball performer of all time. ... I don't believe Michael was the greatest shooter or the greatest dribbler or passer or the greatest defensive player, etc. However, I believe he could do all these things better than anyone else who ever played in the NBA."
Nate Thurmond
"He's the greatest that ever touched a basketball, that ever lived, any way you want to put it and without a doubt. I hope I'm alive when there will be an argument of who is another player who comes along who's as good. I hope I'm around to see this guy."
Jerry West
"I have to think he's the greatest player ever. Not because of his ability to score, but because of his total game. To me he's the best offensive player and the best defensive player in the league for a number of years. To be the defensive player of the year with all the other things he had to do, to me, he's a marvel. He has separated himself from the rest of the good players as far as I'm concerned. He's the modern day Babe Ruth."
..ma di frasi del genere ne possiamo trovare anche per gli altri G.O.A.T, ad esempio su Wilt..
K.C. Jones:
"He stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me
off the floor with my feet dangling," Jones said. "It scared the hell
out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still
shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the
game."
oppure Larry Brown od ancora Walt Frazier:
"Anyone who doesn't think Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player ever is crazy."
..insomma anche le loro sono opinioni..
Mica stupidi gli interpellati ...
bello l'accostamento a babe ruth fatto da jerry west.mike era l'anima offensiva e difensiva dei bulls..al giorno d'oggo NESSUNO ha la stessa completezza e soprattutto intensità che mostrava his airness
wilt a quanto sento e leggo faceva paura per il fisico e anche per le sue doti tecniche(mai potute apprezzare per anagrafe)mike terrorizzava gli avversari con il suo carisma e ,cacchio,i tiri vincenti nei momenti topici della sua carriera li ha messi quasi tutti..
CHAPEAU
ABA-NBA Verbal Fire I: Red Auerbach Vs Bobby "Slick" Leonard
Red: "bad coach (Leonard) when he was with Baltimore in the NBA and he must be a dog now too"
Leonard: "I had an expansion team in Baltimore and Auerbach was sitting in Boston with a monster,I've been at odds with him for a long time. I never put him on a pedestal like others. I took a team of rookie players and battled his championship club to four or five point games.Ask Kevin Loughery (New York Nets coach) and Rod Thorn (Spirits of St. Louis coach), they were my backcourt. Check Auerbach's record before the Bill Russell era. He never won a championship. The one thing about him is what one guy said to me quite a while ago: 'He's got the biggest mouth and the strongest hands in the NBA. He held onto Russell's jersey for 13 years."
e...
"He can say all he wants but he was no tactician. He ran a low post with Russell -- that wasn't hard to figure out -- a fast break and with those guys (Bill Sharman, Bob Cousy, K.C. Jones, and Sam Jones) put a little pressure on the ball. There was nothing tactical from him. His comments are so ridiculous.
The point I'm trying to make is if you can coach, fine. It still takes talent to win. There are no geniuses in this business. There are some better than others. I always considered Red Holzman (New York Knicks coach) a great coach, but he's under a different situation without Willis Reed or Dave DeBusschere. The same with Larry Costello at Milwaukee without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Oscar Robertson."
"The point was not to score, but to win"
"I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream"
Dazed and Confused: "Se rinasco, voglio rinascere Hank."
Red: "'Julius Erving is a nice kid but not a great player"
Leonard: "Things haven't changed any from when I was in the NBA. Auerbach was the biggest mouth in the league then and he still is.
What about the talent he's drafting? He selected Steve Downing (a center out of Indiana) and tried to make him a forward. He drafted Bill Green out of Colorado State 15 years ago and he didn't open the season. And also he drafted Clarence Glover of Western Kentucky. They were all number one choices and they all fizzled.
People tend to forget about them when you come up with a John Havlicek.
Listen, I'm not looking for anyone to think I'm a great coach. It's like I said before, when I'm through all I want people to say is that I was a winner."
"The point was not to score, but to win"
"I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream"
Dazed and Confused: "Se rinasco, voglio rinascere Hank."
Chi scegliereste voi fra i due al loro prime?..illustri nomi danno la loro opinione..
Oscar Robertson: "You have to take Wilt. He once averaged 50 points a game and he averaged 24-plus rebounds per game and he (had seasons in which he) averaged 5-7 assists. As dominant as Shaq is with the players he is playing against, Wilt was just awesome. Shaq is an aggressive player who uses his weight and strength to overpower people. Wilt had power but he also had the finger roll and the bank shot--Wilt had a more complete game in the pivot."
Dolph Schayes: "The Wilt Chamberlain of the latter years is who I would pick, merely because he was an unstoppable inside player—a much better rebounder than Shaq, a better shot blocker than Shaq and I think he was a better team guy with the guys on the team than Shaq. It was the Wilt who was the all-around player, the passing Wilt. They are both haunted by their poor foul shooting. In Shaq’s case—if he and Wilt had to play against each other—one of Wilt’s great records would have been broken and that record is never having fouled out of a game. I think that if Wilt had to play Shaq--the physical Shaq going to the basket and all that and Wilt accepting the challenge of trying to stop him—Wilt would have fouled out of games. Wilt never fouled out against the Celtics because Russell was not the offensive threat that Shaq is. As far as Shaq is concerned, there is a good Shaq and a bad Shaq. There is a Shaq that I think sometimes doesn’t compete 100% as he should—that’s the bad Shaq. The good Shaq that competes 100% would have given Wilt a lot of trouble offensively. Shaq, when he wants to be an offensive weapon, is one of the greatest in the history of the game and would dominate and would force even Wilt into foul trouble. So who’s the better of the two? In my opinion I would say Wilt."
Warren Jabali: "There's no comparison. Chamberlain is head and shoulders above Shaquille O'Neal. Who I like to compare Shaquille O'Neal with is Darryl Dawkins. What happens with Shaquille O'Neal is he is able to push people out of the way, step on them and dunk the ball. If Darryl Dawkins had been able to do what Shaquille O'Neal is able to do on the low post, Darryl Dawkins would have been unstoppable. Not only could he dunk as hard and forcefully as Shaquille O'Neal can, he had a 15 foot jump shot to go with all of that. He probably fouled out more than anybody in the history of the NBA. They did not allow Darryl Dawkins to play basketball. They controlled his game so much that when he went out on the court it was like he was walking on egg shells. In order for us to even include Shaquille O'Neal in the conversation (about Wilt), you would have to imagine Shaquille O'Neal not being able to just knock people down and dunk the basketball. That means that he would have to have the ability to consistently make a five or ten foot jump shot or hook. If that was what he had to do, then he would not be as dominant as he has been by playing the other way. So he could not compare to Chamberlain because Chamberlain had the strength to play that way but he didn't do it that way. He had a little fadeaway 10 foot jump shot, finger rolls and all that kind of stuff"
Spencer Haywood: "I'd take Kareem.” Haywood explains, “He could do more. He could score, he had that skyhook. You've got to have a dominant weapon that doesn't interfere with the whole flow of the game. So, with Wilt, in his latter years he changed over and had all that stuff going on (a complete game), but in his earlier years the ball had to go through him. You could play around Kareem and then at the last second drop it in to him and he'd shoot a skyhook. He just had a lot of stuff going on--he ran the floor very well… I think that guys are doing Shaq a disservice by putting him in that category until it's all over with. Everybody says that it's Shaq and Wilt, but I don't see it like that. Shaq's career is not complete, but he's no Wilt Chamberlain. Chamberlain changed his game and made adjustments. Shaq doesn't seem to want to do that. His game is always based on running you over.”
Pressed to select either Wilt or Shaq, Haywood chooses Wilt and adds that Shaq would not be his next choice after Wilt
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"The point was not to score, but to win"
"I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream"
Dazed and Confused: "Se rinasco, voglio rinascere Hank."
era un Dio anche quando per ripicca contro un giornalista che scrisse un articolo dove criticava il fatto che tirava troppo nella partita seguente non fece nemmeno un tiro :lol2: 
