Re: al Mile High si festeggiano 50 anni (di football e di Alvise)

[flao]

E considerato quanto è migliorato Cassell sotto McDaniels....e soprattutto quanto ne ha protetto i limiti (al contrario di quello che ha fatto Turner a Chicago).

Sta a vedere che ci abbiamo guadagnato.

[chinasky]

Giornalisti poco allegri...

Krieger: Welcome back to mediocrity

By Dave Krieger
Denver Post Columnist

Kyle Orton? Really?
Be still, our hearts.
Welcome back, Broncos, to a world you thought you left behind in 2006. Welcome back to the world of mediocre quarterbacks.
Welcome back to Mike Tomczak and Jim Miller, Chad Hutchinson and Rex Grossman, the world the Bears just left behind.
Welcome back to Steve Tensi and Steve Ramsey and Max Choboian. That's right, Max Choboian. Led the Broncos in passing in 1966. You can look it up.
There's a reason they were celebrating in Chicago and we were shaking our heads in Denver on Thursday, even with all those draft picks. However you felt about Jay Cutler, there is no debate in the NFL about the importance of franchise quarterbacks.
The past five Super Bowl champion quarterbacks are Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady. Franchise quarterbacks all.
A Super Bowl has been won twice in recent years by mediocre quarterbacks — Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer — but they played with two of the best defenses in NFL history. The Broncos will not be accused of that anytime soon.
The only important question now is whether Josh McDaniels understands this. If he does, he will do what he has to do — including using some of those new draft picks — to move up in the first round of the draft and take Southern Cal's Mark Sanchez, the one quarterback in the draft who fits the apparently stringent requirements of his offense.
If he doesn't, if he uses those extra draft picks to shore up a defense that badly needs it, he will consign the Broncos to the world the Bears inhabited for a generation, a world the Broncos inhabited for most of their first 23 years.
Teams in that world tend to be unsuccessful. Worse, they tend to be boring. Football still is entertainment, after all. The jaw-dropping plays go away. Every now and then your team puts together a workmanlike scoring drive. The rest of the time it stumbles around. Your punter and field-goal kicker become your most important players. Football games seem to take much longer than they used to.
If McDaniels doesn't understand this, the Broncos are looking at a competition between Orton and Chris Simms. Is Steve Beuerlein still out there somewhere?
In the coming days, the spin will come on Orton. How he really played doggone well last year for the Bears. How Lovie Smith repeatedly endorsed him. (Sort of the way he endorsed Grossman before him. This is what coaches normally do for their quarterbacks.)
Here's what Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said about Orton after last season:
"I think we have to have competition at that position. We have to get that position right. I know there's going to be a lot of talk about a No. 1 receiver. Guys, it starts with the quarterback. It's all about the quarterback. You don't win because of wide receivers. You don't win because of running backs. You win because of the quarterback. We've got to get the quarterback position stabilized."
This was Mike Shanahan's nearly decade-long quest after John Elway's retirement. He thought he found a worthy successor in Brian Griese. For a while, he sold him as a poor man's Joe Montana, a master technician. But fans grew impatient with Griese's athletic limitations, the timid dink-and-dunk game, and ultimately so did Shanahan.
Next, he tried free agency. Jake Plummer was a starter in the league. These days, exasperation with the Cutler saga is causing a Plummer renaissance among fans, who propose pilgrimages to Idaho to bring him back. But Shanahan concluded, as he had with Griese, that Plummer just didn't have it.
"It" at the quarterback position is indefinable, but as Potter Stewart said of obscenity, you know it when you see it.


Shanahan saw it in Cutler, and so did we. At least until three months ago, when the message from Dove Valley changed. Wanting to impose his system and his will on his new team, McDaniels wished for a more limited quarterback, less of a gunslinger, a player who would draw within the coach's lines.


The Bears were only too happy to oblige.



This much you can take to the bank: Kyle Orton will definitely draw within the lines.

[Paperone]

ottimismo
Grossman è arrivato al SB
Orton ha portato via il posto a Grossman
=
Orton così male non è

pessimismo
3,061 yards in 16 partite

[sonofuoridaltunnel]

ottimismo
Grossman è arrivato al SB

più che altro ce l'hanno portato.

[flao]

ottimismo
Grossman è arrivato al SB
Orton ha portato via il posto a Grossman
=
Orton così male non è

pessimismo
3,061 yards in 16 partite

Ottimismo!
Potevamo prendere Grossman.

[flao]

A parte che l' avrei tenuto, continuo a pensare che Cutler non arrivera' mai ad essere un Quarterback dominante.

E Orton non mi dispiace, c'e' di ben peggio.

E comunque la prossima sarebbe stata comunque una stagione di merda con la M maiuscola, quindi poco importa con quale QB giocarla.

[Alvise]

krieger è un imbecille a prescindere. la classica penna che sputa veleno, perchè a criticare si sembra sempre più intelligenti.

visione ottimistica
a conti fatti, i bears vincono il titolo, ma noi potremmo (ripeto potremmo) ricostruire la nostra difesa. L'attacco senza cutler si imbrocchirà completamente? no. peggiorerà questo sì, ma la linea offensiva c'è, i ricevitori ci sono e hillis c'è. la nostra difesa invece deve risalire dal fondo (fossa delle marianne per intenderci) e 5 scelte il primo giorno possono aiutarci. perdere molto in attacco per guadagnare moltissimo in difesa ci potrebbe portare a essere quasi come l'anno scorso e con molti giovani.

visione pessimistica
laprimadonna vince da solo il titolo, MVP con tutti i nuovi record della lega nel ruolo riscritti, e le nostre scelte tutte bust.

visione antisportiva
il russo inizia a tifare bears. 

[Paperone]

visione antisportiva
il russo inizia a tifare bears. 

:lol2:

[Whatarush]

Ottimismo!
Potevamo prendere Grossman.

Si fa ancora in tempo a prenderlo...è free agent  :D

[Paperone]

[align=right]4/3/09[/align]

Dear Broncos Fan,

I am writing this letter today because I feel compelled to give our community and our fans an explanation regarding the Jay Cutler situation.

One of my directives to Josh McDaniels upon his hiring was that he consider everything possible to return the Broncos to the level which you and I both expect, and this certainly includes making a fair evaluation of every opportunity presented to us which might improve the team.  He and General Manager Brian Xanders have had my complete support throughout, and they have it now.  It is important that you know that at all times we represented ourselves to Jay with honesty and integrity.

I assure you both Josh and I made repeated attempts to reach out to Jay, and I can not speak for him as to why he chose to limit his response.  Ultimately, given his unwillingness to speak with either of us directly in the last 12 days- at the same time his agent clearly stating to us Jay's intentions- it became very apparent to me personally that he no longer wanted to play for the Denver Broncos.  As such, we elected to trade him.

Understand this:  it remains about team.  Our franchise has gone to the Super Bowl six times, with three different coaches and with many different players.  It has never been about one player, and it never will be.  Coach McDaniels shares this vision, and everyone in the organization-players, coaches and staff-must understand and accept this unconditionally.  If anyone does not, that person will not be a part of this franchise.

I am extremely proud of our franchise, its accomplishments, and the region and fans that we represent.  We have an illustrious history, one which we are all anxious to add to, and if someone does not wish to be with us as we head in this direction, then we will move on, and move forward.

Over 96% of our season ticket holders have chosen to renew their tickets for the 2009 season.  This is once again a compelling statement of support and trust by the greatest fans in the NFL, and I assure you my only goal is and always will be to compete at the highest championship level.

The Denver Broncos will move forward in 2009 as one team, united with the most loyal and passionate fan base in football, towards the only goal we will ever pursue.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for your understanding and continued support.

Sincerely,



Pat Bowlen

[c.p.simpson]

Ortn gia' al lavoro  Denver e' un bella notizia...almeno ha attitudine...sperem...

[Paperone]

Ortn gia' al lavoro  Denver e' un bella notizia...almeno ha attitudine...sperem...

per me può mantenere anche le altre 2 attitudini che ha, purché sul campo sia al 100%

[Angyair]

Già che ci siamo in preseason giochiamo contro... la terza, quella dove i titolari giocano un quarto e mezzo o due...

Nella trade era incluso anche l'incasso di un amichevole?  :D

[pgm]

[align=right]4/3/09[/align]
Understand this:  it remains about team.  Our franchise has gone to the Super Bowl six times, with three different coaches and with many different players.  

:mirror:
Sì ma la domanda sorge spontanea:
5 volte su 6 con lo stesso QB o sbaglio?
Che roba misera sta lettera di Bowlen.

[Dee Jay]

Delle questioni tecniche e diplomatiche si è già dibattuto tanto e non ho molto altro da dire..
Volevo inece porre la vostra attenzione sulla questione morale e affettiva. Mi spiego: qualcuno ha pensato ai tifosi? Leggendo il discorso di Pat Bowlen  :mirror: riportato da Paperone mi vien da dire..."Ok nessuno è indispensabile, si cerca di costruire sempre una squadra competitiva per arrivare al Superbowl..bla-bla-bla..ma cambiare così spesso i giocatori è sconfortante per i  tifosi!" Soprattutto se a partire è il tuo QB franchigia, a cui ci eravamo già tutti molto affezionati a Jay, per il suo stile pacato, ma risoluto, la sua storia di salute cagionevole, ma che non gli impedisci di rialzarsi dopo un sack duro..e in primo luogo per la sua classe cristallina. Doveva ancora dimostrare di essere un vincente, questo sì. Ma ho ancora negli occhi e nel cuore le emozioni che lui è il team offensivo, da lui orchestrato, ci hanno regalato lo scorso anno, al di là dei risultati..

Ebbene, io mi sento tradito. Tradito nell'animo sentimentale di tifoso passionale.
E con questo non voglio dire che la colpa sia solo della società e che Cutler sia la vittima.
Vedremo se avrà guadagnato Denver (dubito..) o Chicago o entrambe nell'optare per la trade.. Ma io dico che ORA a rimetterci siamo stati noi, tifosi di cuore.