Re: Mitchell Report

[Rasheed]

Mah, qui si va verso la giustificazione...illuminaci comunque.
Posso capire lo stress, posso capire la pressione, però per me coglioni rimangono, prima di tutto perchè distruggono la loro salute. Prima di prendere certe sostanze dovrebbero pensarci bene.

Pab...io non giudico e non voglio illuminare nessuno...non sono così presuntuoso...

ma mi baso su quello che ho sentito dire per tantissimi sport da ex dopati(pentiti o beccati con le mani nel sacco):a parità di doping i migliori risultati li raggiungono i più talentuosi...

e io non sono capace a giudicare proprio perchè non so che farei in quelle situazioni...

ti faccio un esempio:baseball...sono uno da 20 fuoricampo a stagione...ma c'è gente meno forte di me che grazie agli aiuti ne batte 35 e guadagna il doppio dei miei soldi....te che faresti al suo posto?

ribadisco io non lo so e non mi sento di sparare sentenze...ma come si dice a roma:è facile,facilissimo fare i froci con il culo degli altri...

[MarcoRVD]

Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig told USA Today in Thursday's edition that he is contemplating whether a suspension of Alex Rodriguez might be appropriate in the wake of the Yankees third baseman's admission to the use of banned substances from 2001-2003.

"It was against the law, so I would have to think about that," Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.

Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.

[Rasheed]

Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig told USA Today in Thursday's edition that he is contemplating whether a suspension of Alex Rodriguez might be appropriate in the wake of the Yankees third baseman's admission to the use of banned substances from 2001-2003.

"It was against the law, so I would have to think about that," Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.

Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.

ci manca solo questa...

poi manca solo il pagliaccio baraldi e il circo medrano...

[Shinryu]

"It was against the law, so I would have to think about that," Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.

Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.

ah, il sempre più sottile muro tra giustizia sportiva e giustizia ordinaria.

magari bud dovrebbe provare qualche sostanza, così lo "vede" meglio.

[joesox]

ah, il sempre più sottile muro tra giustizia sportiva e giustizia ordinaria.

Attenzione, situazione differente. Innanzitutto la velocità della giustizia americana.
Ma soprattutto in questo caso ci sono le leggi chiare.

Sempre tratto dal Mitchell Report:

The 1990 amendment, called the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990, imposed more stringent controls with higher criminal penalties for offenses involving the illegal distribution of anabolic steroids and human growth hormone. That enactment reclassified anabolic steroids as Schedule III controlled substances, effectively raising penalties for their illegal possession or distribution to levels similar to those applicable to narcotics. In addition, the unlawful distribution of human growth hormone was classified as a felony punishable by up to five years imprisonment (or up to ten years imprisonment for distribution to individuals under the age of 18). Those penalties also applied to distribution of human growth hormone for a use other than treatment of a disease or as otherwise expressly approved by the Food and Drug Administration. Human growth hormone has never been approved by the FDA for cosmetic, anti-aging, or athletic performance purposes.

Dal 1990 questi sono crimini seri, non c'entra la giustizia sportiva.

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Scusate per le lunghe liste, ma quanto contano gli steroidi?

HR Champions - American League

1971 Bill Melton 33
1972 Dick Allen 37
1973 Reggie Jackson 32
1974 Dick Allen 32
1975 Reggie Jackson e George Scott 36
1976 Craig Nettles 32
1977 Jim Rice 39
1978 Jim Rice 46
1979 Gorman Thomas 45
1980 Reggie Jackson e Ben Oglivie 41
1981 Quattro con 22, stagione corta
1982 Reggie Jackson e Gorman Thomas 39
1983 Jim Rice 39
1984 Tony Armas 43
1985 Darrell Evans 40
1986 Jesse Barfield 40
1987 Mark McGwire 49 (rookie)
1988 Jose Canseco 42
1989 Fred McGriff 36

Fino a qui 40 HR era un traguardo raro, per due intere decadi nessuno arriva a 50, poi per vincere il titolo di HR, esclusa la stagione corta, bisogna battere 49.9 HR.
Eccoli i campioni HR solo AL dal 1990 in poi.

1990 Cecil Fielder 51
1991 Jose Canseco e Cecil Fielder 44
1992 Juan Gonzalez 43
1993 Juan Gonzalez 46
1994 Ken Griffey Jr. 40 (stagione corta)
1995 Albert Belle 50
1996 Mark McGwire 52
1997 Ken Griffey Jr. 56
1998 Ken Griffey Jr. 56
1999 Ken Griffey Jr. 48
2000 Troy Glaus 47
2001 Alex Rodriguez 52
2002 Alex Rodriguez 57
2003 Alex Rodriguez 47
2004 Manny Ramirez 43
2005 Alex Rodriguez 48
2006 David Ortiz 54
2007 Alex Rodriguez 54

2008 Miguel Cabrera 37 - Siamo ritornati a 20 anni fa!

Giocatori con 30+ HR, con 40+ HR, con 50+ HR
1989. 10, 1, 0 - K. Mitchell-47
1990. 12, 2, 0 - Fielder-51, Sandberg-40
1991. 12, 2, 0 - Fielder-44 Canseco-44
1992. 9, 2, 0 - JuanGo-43 McGwire-42

Prima esplosione?
1993. 22 con 30+, 5 con 40+, nessuno con 50+
1994. 10, 2, 0 - Matt Williams-43 Griffey-40 (stagione corta)
1995. 21, 4 con 40+, 1 con 50+

Ulteriore esplosione?
1996. 43, 17, 6 con 47+
1997. 31, 12, 2 con 50+
1998. 33, 13, 2, McGwire-70, Sosa-66, 9 con 45+
1999. 45, 13, 2, McGwire-65, Sosa-63, 6 con 45+
2000. 46, 16, 1
2001. 41, 12, 4, Bonds-73, Sosa-64
2002. 28, 8, 2, A-Rod-57, Thome-52

Passaggio da steoridi a HGH?
Controlli? Leggero calo ed ulteriore esplosione?
2003. 30, 10, 0, A-Rod-47, Thome-47
2004. 37, 9, 0, Beltre-48, Pujols-46, Dunn-46
2005. 27, 9, 1, Andruw-51
2006. 34, 11, 2, Howard-58, Papi-54
2007. 26, 5, 2, A-Rod-54, Prince-50
2008. 28, 2, 0, Howard-48, Dunn-40

Terribile.
Ma chi si dopava?
In particolare la lista degli HR del 1998 fa paura:

1 Mark McGwire 70 D
2 Sammy Sosa 66 D
3 Ken Griffey Jr. 56 secondo me pulito
4 Greg Vaughn 50 Vaughn!
5 Albert Belle 48 mmmh
6 Vinny Castilla 46 Castilla!
7 Jose Canseco 46 D
8 Juan Gonzalez 45 D
9 Manny Ramirez 45 mah?
10 Andres Galarraga 44 mah?
11 Rafael Palmeiro 43 D
12 Alex Rodriguez 42 D
13 Mo Vaughn 40 secondo me si dopava
14 Moises Alou 38 basta guardarlo in faccia
15 Jeromy Burnitz 38 come on!
16 Carlos Delgado 38 mah?
17 Vladimir Guerrero 37 secondo me pulito
18 Barry Bonds 37 D
19 Shawn Green 35 troppi infortuni dopo, si dopava
20 Nomar Garciaparra 35 Nomar, 35 HR? come on
Su venti metterei la mano sul fuoco per due o tre.

Non dico che si poteva evitare e che si debbano togliere un po' di HR a caso, ma con una politica seria si poteva fare molto.

[Jason Fly]

Cifre che non lasciano adito a dubbi, almeno per quanto riguarda gli sluggers d'élite... Per i pitchers invece il giochino non credo possa funzionare però...

[rene144]

"There is no doubt in my mind that he did this to himself," Canseco said. "All the warning signs were there: the surprising power from a shortstop, the spike in home runs, the mood swings where he acted like a complete idiot. The guy has been knocking on death's door since 2003, and everyone wanted to pretend like it wasn't true. I'm not going to get into it too much here because the rest will be in my book coming out next month."

Added Canseco: "Trust me, Albert Pujols will be dead inside a year."

Canseco Superstar.

Poi alcune cose su Selena Roberts:

The piece he assigned was not in fact this one: It was to revisit whether he actually fit in as a Yankee, and go over the last two seasons in which Mr. Rodriguez has been romantically linked to a stripper, subsequently divorced, and then linked, romantically again, to super-cougar Madonna.
...
“Mark told me about four months ago that Selena was deep in an investigative piece on A-Rod and she would probably need three issues of Sports Illustrated to tell it all,” said Mr. Hirshey. “And that there’d be a lot of great stuff left over.”
...
The Times had been chasing the A-Rod story. “We were working on it for many weeks,” said Tom Jolly, the paper’s sports editor. “It’s a story whenever there’s smoke around A-Rod for a period of time, and we were chasing that smoke.”
...
“The book is still a work in progress,” said her book editor, Mr. Hirshey. “I assure you she has more drug revelations as well as other news. Not everything that Selena has on A-Rod’s steroid participation has come out yet.”

Quindi:
- L'editore l'aveva incaricata di scrivere un pezzo gossipparo su A-Rod e robe di corna, ecc...
- Lei ha scoperto altro, ma erano voci che si stavano diffondendo, tanto è vero che anche il Times stava seguendo la stessa pista (e sembra che sia stato "battuto" sul filo di lana).
- Ha chiesto addirittura spazio in ben 3 uscite di SI per raccontare la storia a puntino (quello che è uscito adesso dovrebbe essere solo la punta dell'iceberg).
- Il suo editore dice che c'è altro che verrà divulgato.

Insomma... le è piovuto in testa lo scoop e c'è altro, ma per scelta editoriale hanno deciso di diluirlo.

Ah, Selig non smette di coprirsi di ridicolo, eh?

[Fede_]

potete tradurmi la frase su pujols .... non riesco a capirla  :gazza: :gazza:

[Shinryu]

potete tradurmi la frase su pujols .... non riesco a capirla  :gazza: :gazza:

è the onion...è un articolo umoristico/parodistico...renè, non farci prendere questi colpi 

[rene144]

è the onion...è un articolo umoristico/parodistico...renè, non farci prendere questi colpi  

:lol2:

[pippo77]

Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig told USA Today in Thursday's edition that he is contemplating whether a suspension of Alex Rodriguez might be appropriate in the wake of the Yankees third baseman's admission to the use of banned substances from 2001-2003.

"It was against the law, so I would have to think about that," Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.

Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.

cioè scusate sta pensando di sospenderlo?
tralasciando il fatto che c'era un accordo che quei test non prevedevano punizioni e tralasciando pure che ci sono altri 103 positivi(sospenderà tutti immagino.... :lol2:)....
ma perchè non li ha sospesi all'indomani dei test?nel 2003?
cioè ma gli americano vabbè che sono parrucconi ma si fanno fregare così?
questo per lavarsi ulteriormente le mani pensa ad una sospensione ora che i nomi sono pubblici...4 anni fa quando A-Rod era ancora immacolato e serviva alla pubblicità del baseball l'ha coperto...ora lo scarica...che schifo...

[rene144]

Dopo qualche giorno, finalmente un articolo serio su A-Rod!

[joesox]

Un interessante pezzo di Mike Gimbel.
tratto da THT

Did steroids help Alex Rodriguez?
by Mike Gimbel
February 12, 2009

Did the confession to the use of steroids, made by Alex Rodriguez, invalidate his purported outstanding performances from 2001 to 2003? The myth of "performance enhancement" by the use of steroids needs to be exploded.

(1) There is no scientific definition for "performance enhancement" and
(2) There is no scientific proof that anabolic steroids improve the performance of baseball players.

Anabolic steroids will add testosterone into the bloodstream and, thereby, increase male aggression and, as a male hormone, it improves upper body muscle mass. There is also some indication that it has a positive effect on repairing injuries and returning players to the field quickly, as a result. Weight rooms, when used by athletes, also increase muscle mass. Should we ban the use of weight rooms? Coaches are hired to improve an athlete’s abilities and, thereby, the athlete’s performance. Should these coaches be banned? Long distance runners are famous for eating huge amounts of "carbs" on the day before the big run. Isn’t that activity meant to be "performance enhancing?"

I could go on and on and take this logic to even more ridiculous lengths. The real question is: can we look at real data so as to confirm or reject the notion that steroids improved the performance of Alex Rodriguez, and for that matter, Barry Bonds.

I’ll start with Barry Bonds:

Barry is alleged to have had his "greatest season" at the advanced age of 37. That very age was used in numerous arguments against the possibility of Barry Bonds having such a fabulous season at such an advanced age. There is only one problem with this portion of the argument against Barry’s fabulous year where he hit 73 homers. The peak season for baseball players is not 27 to 29 as all the "bean counting" "statistical analysts" allege.

The "bean counters" mistake quantity for quality of performance. Yes, on the whole, 27 to 29 year olds usually will have a higher volume of stats because their bodies are younger, with a smaller build-up of injuries over time. These younger players play in more games and have more at-bats or innings pitched per season, on average, as compared to older players.

The actual peak season for baseball players is 34 to 37 years old. Those players who stay relatively healthy up to those ages will perform better than their younger selves. The older player has had years of training and performance, which gives that player a significant advantage over the more inexperienced player or pitcher. The fact that Barry Bonds had his best season at 37, therefore, is "normal," and not "bewildering!"

In addition, in 2007—long after he was alleged to have been "cheating" with use of steroids, well into his 40s and not alleged to be using steroids and while his urine was being regularly tested—Barry Bonds was the best hitter in the National League in 2007 at the advanced age of 43! By the way, Barry Bonds’ 2007, at age 43, was so outstanding that his 2007 performance (with an RPA of .204) has been exceeded by Alex Rodriguez only twice in Alex’s Rodriguez’s remarkable Hall of Fame career.

Now to Alex Rodriguez:

It is alleged that Rodriguez had three unreasonably fabulous seasons in Texas from 2001 to 2003 while using steroids. Unfortunately for the Neanderthal sports reporters on ESPN and on 24/7 sports radio stations and the news readers on CNN or CBS or MSNBC, my statistical analysis of A-Rod's performance during those three seasons show quite the opposite.

Here are the individual year Run Production Average (RPA) ratings for Alex Rodriguez, with the best season’s listed first:
  Rank  RPA  Year
    1  .206  2000
    2  .205  2007
    3  .190  2005
    4  .189  1996  (Rodriguez's 1st full season)
    5  .187  2001  (Rodriguez's 1st season on steroids)
    6  .173  2008
    7  .165  2002  (Rodriguez's 2nd season on steroids
    8  .161  2006
    9  .160  2003  (Rodriguez's 3rd season on steroids
  10  .159  1998
  11  .156  1999
  12  .152  2004  (Rodriguez's 1st season after taking steroids)
  13  .140  1997
Alex Rodriguez’s best individual performance in the 2001 to 2003 seasons was only his fifth best season overall, and most importantly, as he continued to use steroids his performance essentially "tanked." If anything, the only thing that you could claim from the above comparative performance list, is that steroids impaired his performance. Three of the four seasons with a poorer RPA rating were from 1997 to 1999 when Rodriguez was just beginning his career and when it should be expected that his performance would be poorer.

Those performances were in line with expectations for a player with so little experience, but the three seasons that came immediately after Rodriguez's overall best season in 2000 are not in line with expectations. They were a straight-line decline, year-after-year from his year 2000 season performance. The only other year below 2001 to 2003, was 2004 and that could logically be considered another indication of the negative effect of steroids since the effects of taking such a powerful drug should not be expected to "wear off" immediately.

The phony "steroids" issue in professional sports is just one more example of a "Salem Witch Hunt" looking for unfortunate victims to feed the maw of a vicious big-business media who, in this case are doing the "dirty work" for the team bosses in their fight to weaken the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA). The owners were never able to defeat the union until they saw their opportunity to use their leverage in this matter to put the MLBPA on the defensive, as I pointed out in previous articles that I wrote during the earlier congressional hearings. Now that the owners are hinting that the union violated the contract by allegedly "tipping off" players to upcoming tests, I can just see where this could now be headed.

Let’s get back to celebrating the most beautiful game that there is and we should celebrate those players who have distinguished themselves by their outstanding play. Please don’t join the modern version of the villagers who danced around the funeral pyre as the Salem "witches" were incinerated.

Mike Gimbel was employed for several years as a "consultant on player evaluation" for both the Montreal Expos and the Boston Red Sox in the 1990's and he continues to annually evaluate player and team performance. He is currently a Local 375, AFSCME delegate to the New York City Central Labor Council, AFL-CIO.

[MarcoRVD]

Hank Aaron says baseball's hallowed record for career home runs belongs to Barry Bonds, and in his opinion there's nothing that should change that.
In an interview with Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Terence Moore published Friday, Aaron made it clear he does not want the record to revert back to the 755 he compiled in his 23-year Hall of Fame career.

[all3n]

Hank Aaron says baseball's hallowed record for career home runs belongs to Barry Bonds, and in his opinion there's nothing that should change that.
In an interview with Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Terence Moore published Friday, Aaron made it clear he does not want the record to revert back to the 755 he compiled in his 23-year Hall of Fame career.

Non c'è altro da aggiungere a quanto detto da Aaron.