DarkLink wrote:
salve a tutti, anch'io sono un formaggino siore e siori
mi/vi domandavo: secondo voi TT si deciderà a tirar fuori un pò di soldi, trattando magari Peppers o Haynesworth? a mio parere l'ingaggio di Campers rappresenta un segnale positivo in questa direzione...voi come la vedete?
si spera che TT metta mano al portafoglio ma non penso che arrivi uno di quei due...uno, haynesworth, perchè ci sono dubbi sulla sua work ethic e sul fatto che le prestazioni possano diminuire dopo aver avuto il contrattone, l'altro, peppers, perchè vuole giocare OLB e a GB sono già in programm molti esperimenti.
nomi che corrono tra i tifosi sono: i tackles vernon carey, jordan gross; i DE canty e olshasky o shaun cody; i LB suggs, scott...
con la 3-4 chi pensate che vada come OLB? Kampman? a mio avviso è un esperimento destinato al successo, ma nonostante ciò non credo che ci si possa ritenete coperti in questo senso....cmq quel che faremo con le FA determinerà anche le nostre scelte nel draft, e con una nona scelta in ballo non si può sbagliare....ma è Vero che se Favre si ritira i Jets ci devono una scelta al secondo giro?
copio un post da un forum americano di uno dei tanti tifosissimi formaggini avente riguardo i pensieri su brett...
It's personal with you, but not with me. I watched football before Favre was born.
I think there is ample evidence that Favre played for himself and not the team. The pursuit of the records, playing when he was hurt badly enough he shouldn't have been, trying to "make something happen" instead of protecting the ball, taking the offseason off instead of working to improve with his teammates....
His former best friend, Mark Chmura, once said "Favre is for Favre, plain and simple". Teddy Atlas, in New York, has cast Favre as a "selfish player". Did Favre want to play for the Vikings to help the Vikings or so that he could hurt Ted Thompson? Are the Jets any better off at QB now than they were a year ago?
I could go on and on for many, many paragraphs citing examples and in some cases Favre's own words, but I won't. You disagree, and you're entitled to your opinion. I don't think you're insane but I think your devotion to Favre borders on idolization.
"The way he played was special".
How so? Is it more special than the way Mark Tauscher plays? More special than Donald Driver? More special than Aaron Kampman? How?
"He played to win".
And Al Harris doesn't? Chad Clifton doesn't? Where was Favre when these guys were busting their asses in the offseason to improve their chances of winning? Oh, I remember.....he was mowing the lawn and wondering if his teammates were worth returning for.
"He played the game with passion".
Who doesn't? IMO, it takes more passion to committ to the team on a fulltime basis and work your tail off in the offseasn to improve than it does to committ to the team on a part time basis while vacationing for 5 months, but that's JMO.
And my personal, all-time favorite:
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he's the ultimate competitor
JMO, but I think an ultimate competitor would work in the offseason to improve himself and he'd be a little more responsive to the coaching staff's suggestions that he try to limit his turnovers. I think he wouldn't just throw it into coverage on first and ten at the end of close games, or in overtime, but would do something else so he could keep competing.
What makes Favre more of a competitor in your opinion than Nick Barnett, or Aaron Kampman, or Donald Driver? These guys bust their hump in the offseason to improve themselves while he wonders if he wants to play or not. IMO, Favre is not the ultimate competitor....not even close.
Do I need to go on? Am I really insane? Or do I just have a very different point of view from yours?
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Brett Favre: He played for the name on the back of his jersey, not the one on the front.
inutile dire che sono rimasto malissimo per tutta la vicenda, che vedere Brett con addosso un'altra casacca è stato uno shock, che ci sono numerosi elementi che portano a pensare che Favre sia un egoista che tiene più ai suoi record che alla squadra..ma aldilà di tutto non riesco ad avercela con lui...ha fatto molto per noi, ha avuto molto da Green Bay e dai Packers ma ha dato altrettanto e personalmente gli devo essenzialmente tutto da un punto di vista che mi vede appassionato e tifoso, dal momento che è guardando lui che mi sono appassionato a questa squadra e a questo magnifico sport. ora però è DAVVERO ora di guardare avanti e non rimpiango certo quanto fatto dalla dirigenza l'estate scorsa. mi auguro solo che la sua maglia venga ritirata, e che tutta questa storia finisca nel modo più giusto.
DarkLink wrote:
inutile dire che sono rimasto malissimo per tutta la vicenda, che vedere Brett con addosso un'altra casacca è stato uno shock, che ci sono numerosi elementi che portano a pensare che Favre sia un egoista che tiene più ai suoi record che alla squadra..ma aldilà di tutto non riesco ad avercela con lui...ha fatto molto per noi, ha avuto molto da Green Bay e dai Packers ma ha dato altrettanto e personalmente gli devo essenzialmente tutto da un punto di vista che mi vede appassionato e tifoso, dal momento che è guardando lui che mi sono appassionato a questa squadra e a questo magnifico sport. ora però è DAVVERO ora di guardare avanti e non rimpiango certo quanto fatto dalla dirigenza l'estate scorsa. mi auguro solo che la sua maglia venga ritirata, e che tutta questa storia finisca nel modo più giusto.
il fatto è che lui ha e aveva non una città ma uno stato ai suoi piedi....ora sta tirando un po' troppo la corda....brett ha dato tantissimo a green bay portandola dove non arrivava più da oltre 30 anni...ma deve dirsi che ha anche ricevuto altrettanto...
But the rumor that is making a few rounds around the NFL has Green Bay and Detroit gonna talk trade. I find it interesting that I proposed this trade in my January mock draft. Again some say Green Bay and Detroit would never trade because they are in the same division but I am not so sure.
Speculation from some who are talking about this rumor has the Lions sending Green Bay pick 20 in round 1 and pick 1 in round 2 for Green Bay's pick 9 in round 1 and pick 9 in round 4.
Having number retired not on Favre's mind
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 11, 2009
In a conference call with reporters, quarterback Brett Favre said he hadn't heard anything from the Green Bay Packers but was aware that they still wanted to retire his number.
Favre said it could be awhile before it happens.
"I haven't even thought about that," Favre said, chuckling. "But the teammates I played with in Green BAy and the fans, nothing has changed since Day One. It's a shame what unfolded throughout this whole thing. I don't know, I don't have an answer for that right now. It may be five years, it may be first game. I have no idea. Honestly, I haven't even thought about that."
Asked if it would take the departure of general manager Ted Thompson for him to reconcile with the organization, Favre said, "I don't know. He had his reasoning, I had my reasoning. Who's to say who's right or who's wrong. He had a plan. I'm not mad at him for that. Other people may be.
"I don't know. It's a touchy situation. I know my stay in Green Bay was unbelievable. Unbelievable. Nothing can take that away. Not one person in that organization who hasn't been outstanding to me throughout my career. It's unfortunate, but at some point it will be dealt with."
Later, Favre was asked if anyone in the Packers organization had called and said anything to him.
"LIke what?" he said. "No, I haven't talked to anyone. Several players have sent me some nice messages."
In discussing his reasons for retiring, Favre continually pointed to the problem he had with a biceps tendon in his throwing arm. He said he had the choice of having it repaired with arthroscopic surgery or with rest, but he figured it was something that he wasn't willing to push anymore.
The injury manifested itself in a sore shoulder and a decrease in velocity on his throws.
"It very well could be fine," Favre said. "Then again could linger and bother me through the year. I just thought it was a wake-up call."
Other subjects Favre addressed:
-- He said he filled out the paperwork necessary for the Jets to file his retirement papers.
-- He understood why people were skeptical about this retirement being final, but he said he's OK with the concept of retirement and doesn't think he needs to prove anything else in his career.
-- He said he did not think he was a disruption for the Jets despite some of the criticism he received from teammates after the season. He said he "honestly believes I was more of a positive than a negative."
-- He understands that his arm could get better and the lure of playing again might come back, but he said he's not willing to take the chance that the injury could reappear and he would be as ineffective as he was the last five weeks of the season.
-- He didn't completely deny that his agent, James (Bus) Cook, inquired about the possibility of the Jets releasing him, but he said that he was not seeking his release and was ready to call it quits permanently.
Assuming Brett Favre stays retired, the Green Bay Packers are going to have to ship a seventh-round pick in 2010 to the New York Jets as part of the trade they made in August.
Having number retired not on Favre's mind
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 11, 2009
In a conference call with reporters, quarterback Brett Favre said he hadn't heard anything from the Green Bay Packers but was aware that they still wanted to retire his number.
Favre said it could be awhile before it happens.
"I haven't even thought about that," Favre said, chuckling. "But the teammates I played with in Green BAy and the fans, nothing has changed since Day One. It's a shame what unfolded throughout this whole thing. I don't know, I don't have an answer for that right now. It may be five years, it may be first game. I have no idea. Honestly, I haven't even thought about that."
Asked if it would take the departure of general manager Ted Thompson for him to reconcile with the organization, Favre said, "I don't know. He had his reasoning, I had my reasoning. Who's to say who's right or who's wrong. He had a plan. I'm not mad at him for that. Other people may be.
"I don't know. It's a touchy situation. I know my stay in Green Bay was unbelievable. Unbelievable. Nothing can take that away. Not one person in that organization who hasn't been outstanding to me throughout my career. It's unfortunate, but at some point it will be dealt with."
Later, Favre was asked if anyone in the Packers organization had called and said anything to him.
"LIke what?" he said. "No, I haven't talked to anyone. Several players have sent me some nice messages."
In discussing his reasons for retiring, Favre continually pointed to the problem he had with a biceps tendon in his throwing arm. He said he had the choice of having it repaired with arthroscopic surgery or with rest, but he figured it was something that he wasn't willing to push anymore.
The injury manifested itself in a sore shoulder and a decrease in velocity on his throws.
"It very well could be fine," Favre said. "Then again could linger and bother me through the year. I just thought it was a wake-up call."
Other subjects Favre addressed:
-- He said he filled out the paperwork necessary for the Jets to file his retirement papers.
-- He understood why people were skeptical about this retirement being final, but he said he's OK with the concept of retirement and doesn't think he needs to prove anything else in his career.
-- He said he did not think he was a disruption for the Jets despite some of the criticism he received from teammates after the season. He said he "honestly believes I was more of a positive than a negative."
-- He understands that his arm could get better and the lure of playing again might come back, but he said he's not willing to take the chance that the injury could reappear and he would be as ineffective as he was the last five weeks of the season.
-- He didn't completely deny that his agent, James (Bus) Cook, inquired about the possibility of the Jets releasing him, but he said that he was not seeking his release and was ready to call it quits permanently.
Assuming Brett Favre stays retired, the Green Bay Packers are going to have to ship a seventh-round pick in 2010 to the New York Jets as part of the trade they made in August.
:gazza:
e con questo ? alla fine chi ha ragione
penso sempre più (anche se non ho ancora digerito Brett ai Jets edi questo glie ne do una colpa ) che il minchione di T.T. non sia un angioletto.....
matteogb4 wrote:
non è questo il punto...volevo solo dimostrare che anche a gren bay favre ha cominciato a stufare alcuni.
:gazza:
ok .. ho capito... ma secondo me... come avevo scritto in un post qualche giorno fa..
solo i prossimi mesi scoprimero se favre è rimasto un 'eroe (ovviamente per tanti ma non per tutti).. o solo un traditore.....
a proposito Matteo...
ma tu sei ancora in America o sei già tornato?
mio fratello è andato a Miami 1 mese fa e mi ha portato una jersey ovviamente di GB ... da passeggio classica non sapevo neanche esistesse ...e l'unica che avevano era con il n. 4 ..... e li l'amarcord si è fatto sentire..... con tutti i suoi strascichi ... (mia cit. alla vista della maglia.... bellissima ....la giro puttana eva..... e li la tristezza è calata con mio fratello che mi guarda e dice ... ma lui non gioca mica da un'altra parte ?
ilberna wrote:
a proposito Matteo...
ma tu sei ancora in America o sei già tornato?
mio fratello è andato a Miami 1 mese fa e mi ha portato una jersey ovviamente di GB ... da passeggio classica non sapevo neanche esistesse ...e l'unica che avevano era con il n. 4 ..... e li l'amarcord si è fatto sentire..... con tutti i suoi strascichi ... (mia cit. alla vista della maglia.... bellissima ....la giro puttana eva..... e li la tristezza è calata con mio fratello che mi guarda e dice ... ma lui non gioca mica da un'altra parte ?
sono a casa da un mese...io ho preso una jersey da passeggio, se si dice così, di bart starr....
Non so neanche io se si dice da passeggio o meno ... comunque quella li.....
me la metterò ovviamente andando a vedere i Panters parma almeno vedo un po di football...
altrimenti sai che palle fino a settembre
da passeggio classica non sapevo neanche esistesse ...e l'unica che avevano era con il n. 4
..... e li l'amarcord si è fatto sentire..... con tutti i suoi strascichi ... (mia cit. alla vista della maglia.... bellissima ....la giro
puttana eva..... e li la tristezza è calata con mio fratello che mi guarda e dice ... ma lui non gioca mica da un'altra parte ? 
