Re: Most Valuable Player 2007/2008

Gilbertology · Post by **Gilbertology** » 09/04/2008, 16:35

maffu wrote: Kobe: And at the end of the day, I’m still the illest MFer with a pill

mi è sfuggito questo passaggio

cosa ti sfugge?

maffu · Post by **maffu** » 09/04/2008, 17:33

Gilbertology wrote: cosa ti sfugge?

alla fine della giornata, sono ancora?

SafeBet · Post by **SafeBet** » 09/04/2008, 18:49

Auguri a chi vuole tradurre quel passaggio. :gazza:

Credo che MFer stia per MotherFucker, ma da lì in poi non saprei come adattare all'italiano.

PINNO · Post by **PINNO** » 09/04/2008, 19:29

maffu wrote: Kobe: And at the end of the day, I’m still the illest MFer with a pill

mi è sfuggito questo passaggio

non ho letto l'articolo, e quindi non conosco il contesto in cui questa frase sia inserita, però io tradurrei con "alla fine della giornata, sono ancora il più bas*ardo figlio di pu**ana impasticcato"

ovviamente la frase potrebbe avere tutt'altro significato

SafeBet · Post by **SafeBet** » 10/04/2008, 0:38

Liberamente direi: alla fine sono ancora quello che spacca il culo a tutti.

The Big Ticket · Post by **The Big Ticket** » 10/04/2008, 1:12

Bryant shouldn’t have to wait anymore for MVP
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

Kobe Bryant hasn’t always been the best person, the best teammate, the best ambassador for the National Basketball Association. This is the reason so many voters are searching for someone else to vote Most Valuable Player. For this, Bryant can blame himself. This is the price paid for petulance.

Still, Bryant is an MVP. He’s been the best player, a three-time champion and voters must ask themselves: If I don’t vote for him this year, what will it ever take? His talent, his accomplishments, his place in history, command multiple MVPs. This has been a season when everything has come together to make his candidacy unimpeachable.

His time, his trophy.

“You can’t just continue to take what Kobe is doing for granted,” Pistons president and Hall of Famer Joe Dumars said. “The guy is one of the truly great players and he should be recognized as such.”

No one needs historical context to make the case for Bryant this year. His season stands on its own. At 29, this isn’t a lifetime achievement award. Kobe is still the best of the best. MVPs, however, are never won overnight in the NBA. Mostly, it takes constructing credibility over the years. He’s been so great, for so long that Dumars is right: People do take him for granted.

As Mark Heisler’s informal poll in the Los Angeles Times showed, the MVP race appears to be down to Bryant and New Orleans point guard Chris Paul. Someday, Paul is going to be an MVP, a champion. He has saved basketball in New Orleans, passing Steve Nash and Jason Kidd as the best point guard on the planet. There isn’t a player in the league that I love more to talk with, that I love more to watch play, than Paul.

Yet, he will have to go No. 2 on my ballot. He hasn’t been first-team All-NBA. He still hasn’t played in the postseason. His time is coming, and coming fast, but there’s time for Paul. Before Paul and LeBron James and maybe Dwyane Wade are 29 years old, they’ll probably have MVP trophies. Bryant’s wait has been long enough.

Those who believe in Bryant’s greatness are forever ripping the voting process, saying it’s a joke that he’ll never been named MVP. Normally, they don’t tell you what year that should’ve happened, who should’ve lost out. Once Tim Duncan had won his two MVP awards, Nash and Dirk Nowitzki were winning, the Lakers losing, and Bryant lost three straight times in his prime. In those years, the mediocre Laker teams crushed his candidacy.

Always, it was this: In the post-Shaq era, Bryant had to be playing for a contender. This was the voter’s mandate. As much as anything, Nowitzki was the best player on the 67-win Mavericks a year ago and it was declared his window, his time. To hear people say that they want to hold off voting to see who finishes the Western Conference with the better record – New Orleans or Los Angeles – is missing the point here.

Bryant doesn’t need the Lakers to finish with the best record in the regular season. When the Lakers are together, yes, they are the most talented team in the NBA. Only, they haven’t been together this season. The Lakers are still fighting for the No. 1 seed with Andrew Bynum out since the middle of January and Pau Gasol arriving in February and missing nine games in March.

The idea that an MVP has to do more with less is nonsense. For coach of the year, it’s a fairer argument. When Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were winning MVPs in the 1980s, who held their rosters against them?

No one ever made Nash reach a conference final – never mind win a title – to give him his first MVP. He came on late in his career to transform himself, but that was never necessary with Bryant. At 29, he’s been great for most of a decade. He’s paid his price for petulance. Joe Dumars is right: No more taking Bryant for granted.

His time, his trophy.

Parole sante, parole sante.

kobe 84 · Post by **kobe 84** » 10/04/2008, 1:21

se penso al fatto che siamo a lottare per il primo posto nonostante la caterva di infortuni mi viene da pensare mvp indiscusso, però dall'altro canto se dovessimo arrivare dietro gli hornets non vorrei che gli venisse dato come risarcimento per il passato
d'altronde kobe è forse l'unico giocatore al quale un mvp aggiunge il giusto, al 24 si chiede il titolo da primo violino e nn un premio personale per impreziosire una carriera più che decennale

Gilbertology · Post by **Gilbertology** » 10/04/2008, 12:49

SafeBet wrote: Liberamente direi: alla fine sono ancora quello che spacca il culo a tutti.

Visto il contesto direi che riguarda il suo modo di essere diventato uomo squadra (c'è una frase prima della sua che riguarda Farmar, che dice che un giorno lo fa piangere ma che poi si rende conto che con Kobe diventerà un All-Star)

"Alla fine, sono ancora il più malato FDP, ma con la pillolina..." potrebbe essere una traduzione che in italiano può dare l'idea...anche se malato FDP in italiano non si usa...spero di aver reso l'idea

SafeBet · Post by **SafeBet** » 10/04/2008, 16:01

Lo ammetto, brancolavo nel buio, ora almeno ho capito dove voleva andare a parare.

maffu · Post by **maffu** » 11/04/2008, 0:29

curiosità statistica: qual'è l'mvp più giovane della storia?

Da Brawl · Post by **Da Brawl** » 11/04/2008, 0:52

maffu wrote: curiosità statistica: qual'è l'mvp più giovane della storia?

Se non sbaglio Wes Unseld, MVP a 23 anni nella stagione 68/69...

Cammellaio Patto · Post by **Cammellaio Patto** » 11/04/2008, 1:08

Da Brawl wrote: Se non sbaglio Wes Unseld, MVP a 23 anni nella stagione 68/69...

cavolo allora dovrò rinunciare ai miei sogni di gloria!

maffu · Post by **maffu** » 11/04/2008, 2:31

Da Brawl wrote: Se non sbaglio Wes Unseld, MVP a 23 anni nella stagione 68/69...

quindi chris paul, nel remoto caso, lo batterebbe

Contropelo · Post by **Contropelo** » 11/04/2008, 19:35

maffu wrote: quindi chris paul, nel remoto caso, lo batterebbe

Altro motivo per cui non lo vincerà. :D
KOBE FOR MVP. :D

(non sia mai che Paul batte LeBron in un record eh... :D)

N3lLo · Post by **N3lLo** » 11/04/2008, 19:52

IL motivo per cui Paul non vincerà l'mvp è perchè Maffu gli sta portando una sfiga da schifo.... :lol2: :lol2:

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