Re: Patriots Tailgate

GoPats · Post by **GoPats** » 19/12/2007, 19:22

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... me_in.html

Un po' di numeri che forse rivalutano un po' il nostro running game. Io spero che nei playoff esploda definitivamente, che è molto importante.

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 19/12/2007, 19:49

GoPats wrote: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... me_in.html

Un po' di numeri che forse rivalutano un po' il nostro running game. Io spero che nei playoff esploda definitivamente, che è molto importante.

Ti ho corretto il link nel quote perchè quello che avevi messo non funzionava,ora dovrebbe andare.

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 22/12/2007, 19:42

Sarà che sono sempre rimasto con i piedi per terra ma i discorsi(di tifosi)che sento in giro non mi piacciono,sembra siamo imbattibili e che tutti siano avversari facilissimi,non è così.
Non è così perchè abbiamo visto come Philadelphia e Baltimore c'abbiano messo in difficoltà,non è così perchè ci dimentichiamo che nel 2004 gli Steelers chiusero 15-1 ma non vinsero il SB.
Purtroppo,soprattutto ai playoff,ogni gara fa storia a sè.
Aggiungo un articolo che mette a confronto questi Pats con i Vikings del 1998.

The New England Patriots are just 33 points away from breaking the single season scoring record of 556 points set by the 1998 Minnesota Vikings, but strangely enough, these teams were not very similar on offense.

But for all their differences, there is one common thread tying these two amazing offenses together -- Randy Moss.

After all, it was Moss who made Dennis Green change his offense in 1998. (Full disclosure: For those who don't know, Dennis Green is my dad.) The Vikings moved away from some of the 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR sets they used as their base offense. Why? Because during the '98 NFL draft, a young, talented receiver with top-five talent from Marshall named Randy Moss fell down the draft board and landed in Green's and the Vikings' lap at No. 21. Minnesota already had Cris Carter, who had gone to five-straight Pro Bowls, and Jake Reed, but the Vikings quickly chose value over need. The day after Moss was drafted, they revamped their offense and became a team whose base set would be 1 RB, 1 TE and 3 WRs.
"It was apparent from our first mini-camp practice he was going to be a superstar," Green said about Moss.

With the speedy Moss, who ran about a 4.2 40 in 1998 at age 21, in the mix it became apparent another change was needed. This one at quarterback. It was obvious in training camp that Randall Cunningham was going to be a better fit for the offense, even though Johnson was the starter at the time.

"He had that big time arm that could really stretch the field," Green said. "He had that athleticism to stay alive in the pocket and his ability to make plays on the move was a perfect fit for what we were trying to do offensively at the time."

That was stretch the field and force mismatches. Surprisingly, though, it wasn't the Pro Bowler Carter who keyed things and made Moss special.

"No, I would say the opposite," Green said.

It was the rookie Moss who opened things up for everyone else. Moss' presence on the outside allowed the Vikings to move Carter inside with their three-receiver package. That means on early downs against teams that did not go to their sub-packages, Carter would get to work on a LB or S. On passing downs, he often got to work against a team's No. 3 corner. Back then, Green would simply say "Pick your poison."

Teams that tried to play the Vikings in man coverage would often see Moss take them deep over the top. Teams that opted to play more Cover 2 got a huge dose of Carter catching balls in the open areas. As Green said, "They were the perfect compliment to one another."

So even back in 1998, it was Moss opening up the offense. Does that scenario sound familiar? Jump ahead to 2007 and it is still Moss who is opening up the field for everyone else. Moss frees up Donte' Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, and Moss' new Cris Carter, slot receiver Wes Welker.

Simply put, he's still pretty much the same player he was back then. Asked what differences he saw from the '98 Moss to today's Moss, Green said, "Not much. He is not as fast as he was back then." Then he kind of chuckled and added "Instead of being a 4.2 guy; he is now a 4.4 guy. Randy can still get vertical and he can still take it away from and defensive back in the NFL with his ability to go up and get the ball at its highest point. "

So what if he runs a 4.4? He's still one of the faster receivers in the NFL. And he can still make a good offense great. But while Moss is the common thread between these two offenses, the differences are just as interesting.

When talking about the New England Patriots you have to start with the QB position. Green had some great offenses when he was with the Vikings, but there was rarely stability at quarterback. He won games with Brad Johnson, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham Daunte Culpepper and even Jeff George at the helm. As Green would say, "It was the system that made the offense go."

But it's different for the Patriots. This offense goes through Tom Brady.

"I have never seen a QB plays as well as Brady has played this season, and I have been around one of the greatest," said Green, who used to coach Joe Montana in San Francisco.

During that record-setting '98 season, the Vikings began the season with Johnson, but he was injured in Week 1 and in came Cunningham. It became apparent early on that Cunningham was going to be a better fit for what would become a new-look offense for the Vikings that year.

But there were other differences as well.

The first one Green was in the design of the offenses. The Patriots use a lot more empty sets and shotgun in their offense. When I asked him why Minnesota didn't use more empty sets, Green said just two words, "Robert Smith."

Smith was the final cog in that offensive machine. He really made it work.

"Even with as explosive as we were throwing the football, we had a 1,200-yard rusher in Robert Smith," Green said. That's the major difference between the two offenses. The Patriots rarely established much of a run game this season. Smith, on the other hand, was a major part of the Vikings' success. As Minnesota continued to put up big offensive numbers that season, teams started to play more Cover 2 in an attempt to take away the deep ball to Moss. When the Vikings saw Cover 2, they would often try to chase teams out of it with Smith. When Smith was running well, it would force teams to abandon the Cover 2 and bring a safety down into the box.

And unli ke what the Patriots are facing, the Vikings never saw the kind of blitz pressure New England has been facing in recent weeks.

"Teams were not as quick to blitz us because we had a mobile QB in Cunningham, a back in Robert Smith who could take a draw to the house, had an effective screen game and blitz pressure often meant Moss would be one on one on the outside," Green said.

Green said both offensive lines were very good. Minnesota had maybe a little bit more of a high-profile line with high picks in Todd Steussie and Korey Stringer, where the Patriots are a little more of a blue collar group. But "both play excellent together and that is the most important factor in offensive line play," Green said.

So after comparing both offenses, I had just one more question: Are the New England Patriots the best team you have ever witnessed?

" The 1984 and 1989 San Francisco 49ers were excellent football teams," he said.

"Yes excellent teams," I told him, "but you did not answer my question. "

He paused for one second and said, "Yes, they are the best team I have ever seen."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/colum...26id%3d3163697

Comunque domani affrontiamo i Dolphins,1-15 ma sarà una partita piena di insidie.

The Snake 12 · Post by **The Snake 12** » 22/12/2007, 19:54

WillieMcGinest wrote: ...

Comunque domani affrontiamo i Dolphins,1-15 ma sarà una partita piena di insidie.

hai voglia... Cleo Lemon vi mette i brividi :lol2:

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 22/12/2007, 20:06

The Snake 12 wrote: hai voglia... Cleo Lemon vi mette i brividi :lol2:

Ogni partita può nascondere le sue insidie,e preferisco affrontarla non sottovalutando l'avversario piuttosto che con arroganza.
Tra l'altro non è che i Dolphins che ci batterono nel 2004(chiudemmo 14-2 e loro 4-12),fossero così tanto più forti.

GoPats · Post by **GoPats** » 22/12/2007, 20:42

Intanto in settimana Belichick ha rimproverato la squadra per le prestazioni delle ultime settimane, per molti può sembrare esagerato, ma in alcune non sono andati proprio bene, anzi, secondo me l'unica in cui abbiamo fatto una gran bella partita è stata quella contro i Steelers...

Parlo da Philadelphia in poi!

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 22/12/2007, 20:50

GoPats wrote: Intanto in settimana Belichick ha rimproverato la squadra per le prestazioni delle ultime settimane, per molti può sembrare esagerato, ma in alcune non sono andati proprio bene, anzi, secondo me l'unica in cui abbiamo fatto una gran bella partita è stata quella contro i Steelers... Parlo da Philadelphia in poi!

Abbiamo pagato l'assenza di Colvin. Il reparto LB è il più carente e quindi il gioco di corsa dei nostri avversari ne ha beneficiato,soprattutto quello dei Ravens.

GoPats · Post by **GoPats** » 22/12/2007, 21:45

Intanto ecco il tempo previsto per domani:

PM Showers
High: 46°F
Precip: 40%
Wind: SSE 22 mph
Max. Humidity: 88%

http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/n ... tid=214102

Insomma il vento è abbastanza forte, secondo me vedremo un match simile a quello della settimana scorsa.

Turbo · Post by **Turbo** » 22/12/2007, 22:06

WillieMcGinest wrote: Sarà che sono sempre rimasto con i piedi per terra ma i discorsi(di tifosi)che sento in giro non mi piacciono,sembra siamo imbattibili e che tutti siano avversari facilissimi,non è così.
Non è così perchè abbiamo visto come Philadelphia e Baltimore c'abbiano messo in difficoltà,non è così perchè ci dimentichiamo che nel 2004 gli Steelers chiusero 15-1 ma non vinsero il SB.
Purtroppo,soprattutto ai playoff,ogni gara fa storia a sè.

Comunque domani affrontiamo i Dolphins,1-15 ma sarà una partita piena di insidie.

Parole Sante, sta aura di imbattibili sta sulle balle pure a me

porta iazza

Doc. J · Post by **Doc. J** » 22/12/2007, 23:56

Io la vedrei bene una sconfitta e fanculo sta perfect season!!

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 23/12/2007, 0:03

Doc. J wrote: Io la vedrei bene una sconfitta e fanculo sta perfect season!!

Bè augurarsi la sconfitta della propria squadra è esagerato però per quanto mi riguarda la priorità è l'anello. Giusto provare a ottenere la perfect season,ma la cosa più importante è vincere ai playoff.

Doc. J · Post by **Doc. J** » 23/12/2007, 0:06

A me della perfect season me ne frega zero assoluto e ho paura nella jella quindi che male fa una sconfitta che ne sò con i mammiferi per 0-3 :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Turbo · Post by **Turbo** » 23/12/2007, 0:20

Doc. J wrote: A me della perfect season me ne frega zero assoluto e ho paura nella jella quindi che male fa una sconfitta che ne sò con i mammiferi per 0-3 :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Ma quale sconfitta

, voglio una tonnara!

Come ho gia detto la cosa che più mi spaventa è lo strss psicologico al quale i nostri sono sottoposti.

Gian Marco · Post by **Gian Marco** » 23/12/2007, 0:24

Andiamo ragazzi...
io sono il primo a rimanere sempre con i piedi per terra e a pensare che siamo tutto tranne che imbattibii...

ma domani giochiamo contro una squadra che rispetto a noi e' di un'altra lega onsestamente...c'e' una disparita' di talento enorme, quasi incolmabile.

Va bene essere umili e rispettare gli avversari, ma dire che i Dolphins ci possono mettere in difficolta' mi pare esagerato. POi, per carita', domani perderemo pure- perche' il mondo e' strano-ma insomma...

sarei meravigliato se Miami riuscisse a rimanere sotto i 3-4 td di svantaggio...

WillieMcGinest · Post by **WillieMcGinest** » 23/12/2007, 0:29

Comunque l'Injury Report di ieri dà in dubbio per domani Yates,ma soprattutto Kyle Brady,Neal e Benjamin Watson. Soprattutto gli ultimi due vanno recuperati al 100 % per i playoff,anche se Hochstein è un ottimo backup di Neal. Per quanto riguarda i tonni invece fuori Crowder,questionable Chatman,Holliday,Roth,Shelton,Keith Taylor,ma soprattutto Porter e Jason Taylor.