Players roles Definition 2010/2011
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Players roles Definition 2010/2011
Here you can put your suggestions for players roles.
Each suggestion will be evaluated by the commission and, if accepted, the new role will be assigned on our site.
Check the current roles on our site and read the second post of this thread before posting anything!
Roles can be changed ONLY during the off-season till the start of September Free Agency. From that point till the end of playoffs they will be blocked.
Here the available roles combinations:
C
C,RW
C,LW
RW
RW,LW
LW
D,RW
D,LW
D
G
To suggest a role change follow this syntax:
PLAYER NAME: ROLE -> NEW ROLE
ES:
JASON SPEZZA: C -> C,LW
Each suggestion will be evaluated by the commission and, if accepted, the new role will be assigned on our site.
Check the current roles on our site and read the second post of this thread before posting anything!
Roles can be changed ONLY during the off-season till the start of September Free Agency. From that point till the end of playoffs they will be blocked.
Here the available roles combinations:
C
C,RW
C,LW
RW
RW,LW
LW
D,RW
D,LW
D
G
To suggest a role change follow this syntax:
PLAYER NAME: ROLE -> NEW ROLE
ES:
JASON SPEZZA: C -> C,LW
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
If you feel like expressing your feelings on your current players’ positions this is the proper thread to do it.
Each suggestion will be evaluated by the commission and, if accepted, the new role will be assigned on our site.
Check the current roles on our site and read the criteria below before posting anything!
Roles can be changed ONLY during the off-season till the start of September Free Agency. From that point till the end of playoffs they will be blocked.
Here the available roles combinations:
C
C,RW
C,LW
RW
RW,LW
LW
D,RW
D,LW
D
G
To suggest a role change follow this syntax:
PLAYER NAME: ROLE -> NEW ROLE
ES:
JASON SPEZZA: C -> C,LW
Again, try to keep in mind the criteria reported below before requiring any role change for your players.
If you don't bring any player case up for discussion, the commission will still apply the due corrections to the roles of your players considered wrong.
Please note that your eventual suggestions will be heard and discussed, but the final decision will be up to the commission only.
If you do not express your opinions now, you’ll still be able to dispute commission’s decisions later on in the off-season, once they’ll be made available (dates and deadlines have yet to be established).
[align=center]Criteria for players roles definition[/align]
- CONTRACTS STATUS INFLUENCE
For free agents the positions will be freely determined by the commission.
(That could involve restricted free agents too, as at the moment we can’t know exactly which FA will be named RFA).
If instead the player is under contract and his role doesn’t look wrong to the commission, the role will stay the same as it was when the team that currently holds his rights acquired the player (via signing or trade).*
We will be particularly careful to apply changes that involve the addition/substraction of a second position to the role the player had when the team that currently holds his rights acquired him. However, the commission will still feel free to apply such change whenever considered due.
*note: players acquired through the drafts were selected without their role being defined yet, so the fact they may be still under contract won’t affect commission’s decision like if they were acquired through signing or trade.
- MAIN CRITERION TO ASSIGN DOUBLE POSITIONS
(triple roles won’t be allowed because of computing needs)
Having to choose a single position for the player, experiencing troubles while deciding which fits better
- DO THE EVOLUTION (cit.)
The most recent position played is not going to be a decisive factor unless it’s been consistent over more than a mere few months.
Evaluating a double position for a player, the last few months of his play probably won’t affect your honest answer to the aforementioned main criterion.
However, if the player has been playing consistently and for a long time out of what is considered to be his natural position, we will weigh the option of the double position even if choosing a single position would not cause a headache.
Example:
Patrick Marleau is a natural center, so applying the main criterion he would be a C only; however, he has been playing RW consistently along the last season and half, making worth of consideration for him the addition of the RW position.
- LW/RW LIMITATIONS
Most wingers could play on both sides and there are often difficulties and uncertainties in determining with accuracy the best position between LW and RW.
That would leave a lot of room for arguments over many decisions.. or would lead to a whole lot of players with the LW/RW role.
To prevent the first risk, no LW/RW will be assigned to under contracts players that had not such role already when the team that currently holds their rights acquired them. Also, to avoid the potential overabundance of the LW/RW double position, we will assign it only to some of the free agents that could theoretically deserve it.
- ENTRY DRAFTEES EXCEPTION
As remarked in the first post of this thread, the roles assigned during the off-season will stay the same from September to the end of our playoffs; however, an exception to that rule could be made for entry draftees entering the league:
to allow corrections on possible mistaken roles assigned to players that had yet to be seen play in the league, GMs will have the chance to ask for a change of an entry draftee’s role as long as he will have played no more than 10 regular season games in the NHL.
It is settled that the eventual correction can not lead to the addition of a second position.
You can ask for a change of the roles that will be assigned by the commission, but your request will be certainly rejected if it won’t match the above criteria. And that condition being satisfied will make the change possible, not due.
Each suggestion will be evaluated by the commission and, if accepted, the new role will be assigned on our site.
Check the current roles on our site and read the criteria below before posting anything!
Roles can be changed ONLY during the off-season till the start of September Free Agency. From that point till the end of playoffs they will be blocked.
Here the available roles combinations:
C
C,RW
C,LW
RW
RW,LW
LW
D,RW
D,LW
D
G
To suggest a role change follow this syntax:
PLAYER NAME: ROLE -> NEW ROLE
ES:
JASON SPEZZA: C -> C,LW
Again, try to keep in mind the criteria reported below before requiring any role change for your players.
If you don't bring any player case up for discussion, the commission will still apply the due corrections to the roles of your players considered wrong.
Please note that your eventual suggestions will be heard and discussed, but the final decision will be up to the commission only.
If you do not express your opinions now, you’ll still be able to dispute commission’s decisions later on in the off-season, once they’ll be made available (dates and deadlines have yet to be established).
[align=center]Criteria for players roles definition[/align]
- CONTRACTS STATUS INFLUENCE
For free agents the positions will be freely determined by the commission.
(That could involve restricted free agents too, as at the moment we can’t know exactly which FA will be named RFA).
If instead the player is under contract and his role doesn’t look wrong to the commission, the role will stay the same as it was when the team that currently holds his rights acquired the player (via signing or trade).*
We will be particularly careful to apply changes that involve the addition/substraction of a second position to the role the player had when the team that currently holds his rights acquired him. However, the commission will still feel free to apply such change whenever considered due.
*note: players acquired through the drafts were selected without their role being defined yet, so the fact they may be still under contract won’t affect commission’s decision like if they were acquired through signing or trade.
- MAIN CRITERION TO ASSIGN DOUBLE POSITIONS
(triple roles won’t be allowed because of computing needs)
Having to choose a single position for the player, experiencing troubles while deciding which fits better
- DO THE EVOLUTION (cit.)
The most recent position played is not going to be a decisive factor unless it’s been consistent over more than a mere few months.
Evaluating a double position for a player, the last few months of his play probably won’t affect your honest answer to the aforementioned main criterion.
However, if the player has been playing consistently and for a long time out of what is considered to be his natural position, we will weigh the option of the double position even if choosing a single position would not cause a headache.
Example:
Patrick Marleau is a natural center, so applying the main criterion he would be a C only; however, he has been playing RW consistently along the last season and half, making worth of consideration for him the addition of the RW position.
- LW/RW LIMITATIONS
Most wingers could play on both sides and there are often difficulties and uncertainties in determining with accuracy the best position between LW and RW.
That would leave a lot of room for arguments over many decisions.. or would lead to a whole lot of players with the LW/RW role.
To prevent the first risk, no LW/RW will be assigned to under contracts players that had not such role already when the team that currently holds their rights acquired them. Also, to avoid the potential overabundance of the LW/RW double position, we will assign it only to some of the free agents that could theoretically deserve it.
- ENTRY DRAFTEES EXCEPTION
As remarked in the first post of this thread, the roles assigned during the off-season will stay the same from September to the end of our playoffs; however, an exception to that rule could be made for entry draftees entering the league:
to allow corrections on possible mistaken roles assigned to players that had yet to be seen play in the league, GMs will have the chance to ask for a change of an entry draftee’s role as long as he will have played no more than 10 regular season games in the NHL.
It is settled that the eventual correction can not lead to the addition of a second position.
You can ask for a change of the roles that will be assigned by the commission, but your request will be certainly rejected if it won’t match the above criteria. And that condition being satisfied will make the change possible, not due.
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
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Regin: C -> C,LW part of the season (the end...) + playoff Regin has been LW (with Spezza C)
some doubts:
Kevin Porter C->? Think past season (2008/2009) was RW/LW on Yahoo. This year was listed as C..but i don't think is accurate.
Tim Kennedy LW-> C,LW (played also center i think, but he sucks at FW so....)
Regin: C -> C,LW part of the season (the end...) + playoff Regin has been LW (with Spezza C)
some doubts:
Kevin Porter C->? Think past season (2008/2009) was RW/LW on Yahoo. This year was listed as C..but i don't think is accurate.
Tim Kennedy LW-> C,LW (played also center i think, but he sucks at FW so....)
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In my opinion is not OK to possibly change the role of a player.
In the past have been done some trades also based on their given role on yahoo, trades that would not have been done if the players would have had different roles or eventually in different ways.
I mean, Yahoo might be fucked up (also for this :sbadat:) but at least it is the same for everybody.
In case such possibility has been discussed and voted in the past do not consider this post; otherwise, I think it should be at least discussed.
In the past have been done some trades also based on their given role on yahoo, trades that would not have been done if the players would have had different roles or eventually in different ways.
I mean, Yahoo might be fucked up (also for this :sbadat:) but at least it is the same for everybody.
In case such possibility has been discussed and voted in the past do not consider this post; otherwise, I think it should be at least discussed.
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
Malkin sucks at FW but he still is a natural center. Geno actually is a perfect example of someone who has played as a winger in the past but who should never get the W position.kachlex wrote: Honolulu
Tim Kennedy LW-> C,LW (played also center i think, but he sucks at FW so....)
Not saying the same applies to Kennedy, we'll need to do some research on it.. i even thought he was only a LW.
i'm wondering whether Regin ever played as a winger before late this season.. i mean, in his non-NHL career.Regin: C -> C,LW part of the season (the end...) + playoff Regin has been LW (with Spezza C)
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Not the thread for this discussion, but i'll leave it here so that there is a reasoning available in english too.zaghibar wrote: In my opinion is not OK to possibly change the role of a player.
In the past have been done some trades also based on their given role on yahoo, trades that would not have been done if the players would have had different roles or eventually in different ways.
I mean, Yahoo might be fucked up (also for this :sbadat:) but at least it is the same for everybody.
In case such possibility has been discussed and voted in the past do not consider this post; otherwise, I think it should be at least discussed.
We are not gonna change roles during the season.
If during the off-season a player position is changed, you can still adjust to it through the september free agency.
As for previous trades, you have some point and we are going to be more conservative on them, even more so than on players already under contracts (signed considering their position at the moment of the acquisition).
Keep in mind though yahoo does change roles from one season to another as well, hence using yahoo you would still face the same problem, as in fact happened in previous years.
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
Ontario
Wilson: C -> In the PO he played as LW ---> C/LW?
Brouwer RW-> He played as LW too
Tyler Kennedy C -> He's listed as RW here http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/teams/dept ... h-penguins I never seen him play...it's just a source
Wilson: C -> In the PO he played as LW ---> C/LW?
Brouwer RW-> He played as LW too
Tyler Kennedy C -> He's listed as RW here http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/teams/dept ... h-penguins I never seen him play...it's just a source
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
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Laich -> signed FA last summer, he was C,LW Ok
Latendrasse -> signed FA last summer, he was RW,LW Ok
Laich -> signed FA last summer, he was C,LW Ok
Latendrasse -> signed FA last summer, he was RW,LW Ok
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
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Semin: LW,RW -> yahoo inexplicably changed these 2 positions- He plays both
Semin: LW,RW -> yahoo inexplicably changed these 2 positions- He plays both
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
MONTEREY
Tyler Ennis C->LW, He is now listed as C but he played all his 16 games (10 in RS and 6 in PO) as LW alongside Hecht and Pominville
Jeoffrey Lupul LW/RW, in 2009-10 season he played in some games as RW with Getzlaf, LW with Selanne and RW in third line.
Tomas Fleischman LW/C/RW, we acquired him as LW/RW role that he had during all past season, but after we get him he played also as center.
Tyler Ennis C->LW, He is now listed as C but he played all his 16 games (10 in RS and 6 in PO) as LW alongside Hecht and Pominville
Jeoffrey Lupul LW/RW, in 2009-10 season he played in some games as RW with Getzlaf, LW with Selanne and RW in third line.
Tomas Fleischman LW/C/RW, we acquired him as LW/RW role that he had during all past season, but after we get him he played also as center.
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
PATRIK ELIAS (LW) - > C, LW
DAVID BACKES (RW) --> C, RW
VALTTERI FILPPULA (C) --> C, LW
DAVID BACKES (RW) --> C, RW
VALTTERI FILPPULA (C) --> C, LW
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
All players' positions have now been decided and, where necessary, updated.
http://forum.playitusa.com/http://vps.l ... 7#p2117377
http://forum.playitusa.com/http://vps.l ... 7#p2117377
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Re: Players roles Definition 2010/2011
Protesto la decisione ufficiale della quale non ero al corrente se non fino ad oggi dei voti contrari a Semin come LW. A quei contrari che l'nhl la guardano per radio (cit.) dico solo:
- Semin fino all'altro ieri per yahoo era LW, poi misteriosamente nello sconcerto di molti yahoo a metà stagione inoltrata glielo ha tolto.
- Se proprio deve avere un unico ruolo, lo sanno tutti che è una LW. Quando è stato preso all'inizio era solo LW. E se proprio non può essere concesso il doppio ruolo, che LW sia.
Tuttavia mi pare assurdo passare da RW (posizione attualmente assegnata) a LW perchè il passo non è breve, quindi l'assegnazione del doppio ruolo mi pare la soluzione più corretta.
Grazie dell'attenzione.
- Semin fino all'altro ieri per yahoo era LW, poi misteriosamente nello sconcerto di molti yahoo a metà stagione inoltrata glielo ha tolto.
- Se proprio deve avere un unico ruolo, lo sanno tutti che è una LW. Quando è stato preso all'inizio era solo LW. E se proprio non può essere concesso il doppio ruolo, che LW sia.
Tuttavia mi pare assurdo passare da RW (posizione attualmente assegnata) a LW perchè il passo non è breve, quindi l'assegnazione del doppio ruolo mi pare la soluzione più corretta.
Grazie dell'attenzione.
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premessa da non trascurare:therussianrocket wrote: Protesto la decisione ufficiale della quale non ero al corrente se non fino ad oggi
il post sopra il tuo è di un mese e passa fa, e riporta il link alla comunicazione ufficiale:
http://forum.playitusa.com/http://vps.l ... 7#p2117377
ergo, se non ne eri al corrente è un problema tuo.. e come puoi leggere, la deadline x le proteste era fissata al 15 luglio, quindi in teoria il caso potrebbe già chiudersi qui.
Cmq, visto che son passati solo 2gg e che la cosa nel frattempo non ha + avuto alcuna risonanza visto che di proteste non ce ne erano state, x conto mio si potrebbe tranquillamente fare una proroga al 20 luglio.. anche x' il tempo x decidere senza fretta poi ci sarebbe cmq.
Sentiamo cosa dicono gli altri della commissione..
al di là di questa leggenda metropolitana che non possiamo verificare (sarebbe l'unico caso in 4 anni di una posizione levata da yahoo a stagione in corso), quello che potrebbe avere rilevanza è il ruolo che Semin aveva al momento del tuo acquisto (trade con jassi).dei voti contrari a Semin come LW. A quei contrari che l'nhl la guardano per radio (cit.) dico solo:
- Semin fino all'altro ieri per yahoo era LW, poi misteriosamente nello sconcerto di molti yahoo a metà stagione inoltrata glielo ha tolto.
Anche qui, la commissione al momento di decidere il voto non aveva potuto determinarlo.
e visti i criteri da seguire..
"- LW/RW LIMITATIONS
Most wingers could play on both sides and there are often difficulties and uncertainties in determining with accuracy the best position between LW and RW.
That would leave a lot of room for arguments over many decisions.. or would lead to a whole lot of players with the LW/RW role.
To prevent the first risk, no LW/RW will be assigned to under contracts players that had not such role already when the team that currently holds their rights acquired them. "
..la cosa + logica è dargli un ruolo singolo.
Potessimo sapere se era LW o RW al momento del trade, visto che ci possono stare entrambi, potremmo lasciare quello che c'era, in virtù di:
"If instead the player is under contract and his role doesn’t look wrong to the commission, the role will stay the same as it was when the team that currently holds his rights acquired the player (via signing or trade)"
Ma siccome non sappiamo qual'era il ruolo, si è dovuto determinarlo tramite voto.
Su questo siamo pienamente d'accordo.. al momento del voto avevo fatto presente in commissione la stessa cosa, cioè che Semin è sempre stato LW, salvo poi giocare RW nei Caps quando utilizzato in linea con Ovechkin, quindi nella minoranza dei casi.- Se proprio deve avere un unico ruolo, lo sanno tutti che è una LW. Quando è stato preso all'inizio era solo LW. E se proprio non può essere concesso il doppio ruolo, che LW sia.
Ma alla fine ero cmq stato l'unico a votare LW. Non so perché francamente.
cos'è sta minchiata? :lol2:Tuttavia mi pare assurdo passare da RW (posizione attualmente assegnata) a LW perchè il passo non è breve, quindi l'assegnazione del doppio ruolo mi pare la soluzione più corretta.
se la commissione accetta di prorogare la deadline e quindi di ridiscutere il caso, ti converrà postare un pò di 'prove' x convincerli del ruolo LW. :DGrazie dell'attenzione.
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bure wrote:é francamente.
se la commissione accetta di prorogare la deadline e quindi di ridiscutere il caso, ti converrà postare un pò di 'prove' x convincerli del ruolo LW. :D